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#218
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 1995 07:58:39 -0600
From: David Foulk
Subject: School lunch debate
I must confess that I don't see the basis for fear of the devolution effort
which has in part resulted in moving the responsibility for the school lunch
program to states. How many of us as health educators feel that we are
influential enough to have an impact on federal level policy that affect
what we believe in? The logical next question becomes, do we not have much
more influence in state and local politics? We can better organize and
lobby for local and state needs and we should be more effective at being
heard. It seems to me that if we cannot affect change at the local and
state level we are not doing our jobs. I hope that what we are hearing is
not our personal fear of failure. We are diluted and of little significance
in health care policy at the federal level. This same discussion has
recently brought up the fact that we do not have a strong or united voice to
lobby for our positions and we have no answer to that dilema for now. Given
that we are in this political position, I see the move to state control over
issues like school lunch programs as a window of opportunity to make
positive changes in a program that is full of problems.
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#219
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 1995 09:00:00 EST
From: dl16
Subject: Be wary of dichotomous thinking
In-Reply-To: <9503010829.AA05630@umailsrv1.UMD.EDU>
>In response to Rick Petosa's comment regarding a shift in funding
>from youth to the aged: I believe this intergenerational competition
>is something that politicians and the media love to create. As a
>gerontologist, I am a strong advocate of funding for health promotion
>programs for older adults. I do not believe that it is a youth
>versus elderly argument at all. It is an issue of siphoning off or
>cutting funding from social programs for all disadvantaged people.
>Those of you involved with youth: Don't buy in to the creation of a
>"youth versus elderly" intergenerational competition.
>Sociologists have discussed for years the tactic of pitting poor
>whites against poor African Americans (divide and
>conquer). It takes the focus off of the real issue, which is cutting
>of all social programs. Let's not pit age groups against each other in a
>funding war. It is not constructive.
>Patricia Sharpe, Ph.D., M.P.H.
>Department of Health Promotion and Education
>School of Public Health, University of South Carolina
>
You are quite correct. Considering the wealth of this country on the one
hand, and the waste on the other there is enough funding for all. Cut out the
unnecessary subsidies, tax multinational corporations, reduce
military-industrial spending, and there are ample funds for people-serving
programs. We can't allow ourselves to become prey to dichotomous thinking,
that is, supporting programs for *either* young or old, black or white, poor
or middle class, etc. when, with economic reform, there is enough for *both*.>
Daniel LEVITON
Email:Daniel_LEVITON@umail.umd.edu (dl16)
Phone:(301) 405-2528
Address: College of HHP
University of Maryland
College Park, MD 20740
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#220
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 1995 08:20:24 CDT
From: ROBERTS@MDH-DAD.HEALTH.STATE.MN.US
Organization: Minnesota Department of Health
Subject: Re: free school lunch program
Mr. Livingood has made some very good points about the republican legislative
agenda, in particular, that it favors those with wealth and hurts those living
i
n
poverty--all in the name of "returning government to the states."
What will happen to our society if we do not maintain a federal, state and
local
presence in the development of our public social policies and programs?
These levels of government balance each other out. Each contributes a vital
perspective to the creation and implementation of our programs. We need to
have
national, state and local input in all our work! We live in a local, state and
national community.
The Current legislative cuts are really directed at those who are viewed as
powerless (and non-voting) in our society. It is a sad statement about our
loss
of
community and the economic divisions that increasingly are separating us as a
nation.
Martha J. Roberts
Health Educator
Center for Health Promotion
*
Division of Family Health
Minnnesota Department of Health
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#221
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 1995 10:35:55 -0600
From: gbc4804@ZEUS.TAMU.EDU
Subject: Re: free school lunch program
>Mr. Livingood has made some very good points about the republican
>legislative agenda, in particular, that it favors those with wealth and
hurts >those living in poverty--all in the name of "returning government to
the >states." What will happen to our society if we do not maintain a
federal, >state and local presence in the development of our public social
policies >and programs?
>These levels of government balance each other out. Each contributes a
>vital perspective to the creation and implementation of our programs. We
>need to have national, state and local input in all our work! We live in a
>local, state and national community.
>The Current legislative cuts are really directed at those who are viewed as
>powerless (and non-voting) in our society. It is a sad statement about our
>loss of community and the economic divisions that increasingly are
>separating us as a nation.
>Martha Roberts
I really didn't want this to turn into a Republican vs. Democrat
debate. There is a fairly high level of demagoguery on both sides of the
aisle, both sides have positive and negative sides to all of their
proposals. It is unfair to "Republicans" in general and to me personally to
insist that there is a hidden agenda that includes hurting the poor in the
name of serving the rich. Believe me, on the salary I make, I ain't rich!!!
Besides, I think I can help the poor of my community better with my own
giving than my rich Uncle Sam, who has a tendency to skim large portions of
my help (taxes) in order to feed his appetite.
I have trouble accepting the premise that there is a place for the
federal government meddling in our daily lives beyond what the Constitution
specifies. Of the meddling, taxation, regulation, etc. that we all might
agree is necessary, the majority of it should come from the states. David
Foulk's previous message was right on the money. We have more control over
how resources will be allocated when the allocation is done at the local
level. Local control may be the best thing that could happen to health
education in 30 years. As it is, small groups (from the right AND the left)
have excessive power at the state and federal levels because they can either
shout louder than others or can spend more $$$ lobbying.
I believe that the issue of local/state control of education & some
aspects of social policy is a legitimate area for debate in this group.
There are genuine philosophical issues that we can disagree on & debate
without assuming that such disagreements are based on a hidden agenda. I
love political debate, but we should probably confine that to one of the
politics newsgroups or via personal e-mail. Feel free to correspond with me!
B
Brian Colwell, Ph.D., CHES
Assistant Professor of Health Education
Texas A&M University
(409) 845-3109
(409) 847-8987 (fax)
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#222
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 1995 10:47:46 CST
From: Bill Cissell
Subject: Debate Initiated by Concern for Shift of Authority over School
Lunch Program(s)
Having cheered Trish with a "Good on you" compliment, I feel it necessary to
cheer others who have been contributing thoughful commentary. I respect the
efforts of Bryan Colwell and David Foulk to justify and point to the potential
positive outcomes/opportunities with a shift of the authority for school food
service support from federal to state governments. However, I believe that
Martha Roberts, Bill Livingood, Rick Petosa, Dan Leviton, Andy Jenkins, and
others who have cited the risks and underlying motives for making the shift
are
more accurate about the prospective outcomes and opportunities. The
suggestion
that we follow the instruction paraphrased from the bumper sticker suggests
that we are dealing with an absolute and unchangeable set of politicians.
While they (the Newtniks) have done a great deal to give this impression, I do
not believe they are a solid as they claim. We need to influence policy at
all
levels. Let's not assume the die is cast before it is.
Bill Cissell
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#223
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 1995 11:02:00 CST
From: "Mark J. Kittleson (GA3748@SIUCVMB.SIU.EDU)"
Subject: Free School Lunch Discussion
I've been reading with great interest the discussion regarding free lunch.
Although I have always been a champion of the "little people"...poor and
middle class, it is frustrating seeing how much "red tape" the federal
government causes. A great idea (school lunch) has been beaten to death
with red tape...just talk to anybody who has to prepare school lunches...
it's devastating. Thus, I can see the logic in shifting such responsi-
bilities from the federal government. On the other hand, I also
see some states taking the money and doing what it deems best.
The problem I see is that we are 1.4 trillion (1,400,000,000,000) in
the hole (that's one heck of a credit line on a mastercard)...and
it's getting worse. Clinton is proud that he's reducing the deficit
(and it's still 150 billion in the hole). Folks...where will this
lead us. Somewhere, sometime we've got to pay the piper. That day
is coming sooner than most of us are aware of, or want to think about.
The government has got to undo some of it's expense. Right now
the federal government is attempting to shift it to states...then
the states are going to increase their burdens on the citizens (thus
increase state taxes). I for one would support paying my money to
the state rather than the feds, but the fact remains that we are
becoming a bankrupt country...when that happens (some predict around
1999-2003)
we will see massive closing of programs, institutions, to such an extent
that it'll make the great depression look like a mid-season slow down.
We've got to do something to stop this huge difference between what
the gov. gets and what it spends.
Ironically, this same mentality of reducing federal government spending
took place 15 years ago, and then Reagan busted the bank on spending.
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#224
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 1995 11:19:11 CST
From: g_liu@VENUS.TWU.EDU
Subject: Re: FWD: Congressional E-Mail Addresses, 1995/96 (U Mich)
How could you get my address? I got you E-mail everyday but I don't know who
you are. Where this come from?From:
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RANDOLFI Tel No: 0232
Subject: FWD: Congressional E-Mail Addresses, 1995/96 (U Mich)
Would folks on this list prefer to have the references to resources
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Ernie
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CONGRESSIONAL E-MAIL ADDRESSES
104th Congress
1995/96
United States Senate
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CA Boxer, Barbara (D) senator@boxer.senate.gov
CO Brown, Hank (R) senator_brown@brown.senate.gov
CT Dodd, Christopher(D) sendodd@dodd.senate.gov
GA Coverdell, Paul (R) senator_coverdell@coverdell.senate.gov
IA Harkin, Tom (D) tom_harkin@harkin.senate.gov
ID Craig, Larry (R) larry_craig@craig.senate.gov
ID Kempthorne, Dirk(R) dirk_kempthorne@kempthorne.senate.gov
IL Simon, Paul (D) senator@simon.senate.gov
KY Ford, Wendell (D) wendell_ford@ford.senate.gov
MA Kennedy, Ted (D) senator@kennedy.senate.gov
(www home page: http://www.ai.mit.edu/projects/iiip/
Kennedy/homepage.html)
NM Bingaman, Jeff (D) Senator_Bingaman@bingaman.senate.gov
OH DeWine, Michael (R) senator_dewine@dewine.senate.gov
SD Daschle, Thomas (D) tom_daschle@daschle.senate.gov
(www= ftp://www.senate.gov/member/sd/daschle/general/
daschle.html
SD Pressler, Larry (R) larry_pressler@presler.senate.gov
TX Hutchison, Kay (R) senator@hutchison.senate.gov
VA Robb, Charles (D) senator_robb@robb.senate.gov
vascr@CapAccess.org
VA Warner, John (R) senator@warner.senate.gov
VT Leahy, Patrick (D) senator_leahy@leahy.senate.gov
leahy@eff.org
VT Jeffords, Jim (R) vermont@jeffords.senate.gov
WA Gorton, Slade (R) Senator_Gorton@gorton.senate.gov
WI Feingold, Russ (D) russell_feingold@feingold.senate.gov
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CA 6 Woolsey, Lynn (D) woolsey@hr.house.gov
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CO 2 Skaggs, David (D) skaggs@hr.house.gov
CO 6 Schaefer, Dan (R) schaefer@hr.house.gov
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FL 6 Stearns, Cliff (R) cstearns@hr.house.gov
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GA 6 Gingrich, Newton (R) georgia6@hr.house.gov
IL 13 Fawell, Harris (R) hfawell@hr.house.gov
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MN 1 Gutknect, Gil (R) gil@hr.house.gov
MN 3 Ramstad, Jim (R) mn03@hr.house.gov
MN 4 Vento, Bruce (D) vento@hr.house.gov
NC 7 Rose, Charlie (D) crose@hr.house.gov
NC 11 Taylor, Charles (R) chtaylor@hr.house.gov
NC 12 Watt, Mel (D) melmail@hr.house.gov
ND Pomeroy, Earl (D) epomeroy@hr.house.gov
NH 1 Zeliff, Bill (R) zeliff@hr.house.gov
NJ 7 Franks, Bob (R) franksnj@hr.house.gov
NJ 12 Zimmer, Dick (R) dzimmer@hr.house.gov
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NY 2 Lazio, Rick (R) lazio@hr.house.gov
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NY 23 Boehlert, Sherwood(R) boehlert@hr.house.gov
NY 27 Paxon, Bill (R) bpaxon@hr.house.gov
OH 2 Portman, Rob (R) portmail@hr.house.gov
OH 10 Hoke, Martin (R) hokemail@hr.house.gov
OK 5 Istook, Jr. Ernest(R) istook@hr.house.gov
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#225
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 1995 15:40:06 -0800
From: James Frankish
Subject: Surveys of Worksite Smoking Cessation Programs
We are presently involved in a project that involves the analysis of two
large databases containing information on worksite smoking cessation
programs and policies. Our intent is to compare the results of our
analyses with those from other jurisdictions. We would greatly appreciate
any information that you can provide on this topic. More specifically, we
would appreciate:
a) copies of survey reports dealing with worksite smoking cessation issues.
b) names of contact individuals or or identification of potential sources
for specific worksite surveys or reviews
Thank you for your assistance. Any information, responses, comments or
questions can be sent to:
James Frankish
Assistant Director
Institute of Health Promotion Research
University of British Columbia
6248 Biological Sciences Road
Vancouver, BC. V6T 1Z4
PH: (604) 822-9205; FAX: 822-9210; E-Mail: frankish@unixg.ubc.ca
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#226
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 1995 20:06:29 -0500
From: "Michael J. Ludwig"
Subject: There is no free lunch
I have been following the debate regarding school lunches and other social
programs. It seems many of the participants have bought into the rhetoric
that we need to get the federal government off our backs. However, there is
very little discussion of the role of the military as the *MAJOR*
contributer to the state of the deficit (and now there is talk of
resurrecting the "Star Wars" initiative--an ill-conceived and unworkable
boondoggle and the ultimate pork project). The deficit is not the
horrible thing many would make of it (there are many respected and erudite
economists who believe the noise about the deficit is just that). Social
programs like Aid to Dependent Children and the School Lunch Program make up
such a small proportion of the federal budget (as does education
for that matter), that I can't help but think that the American public has
been duped and appears very much like Don Quixote tilting at windmills. Not
to mention that the WIC program is consistently cited as one of the most
efficient and effective federal programs ever created.
The role of the government at any level needs to be questioned. That
is the role of citizens in a democracy. However, a society is best
measured by the manner in which it helps the least fortunate members
among its population. In the industrialized world, the United States
is the only country that does not provide medical care for its
citizens. The United States also has one of the *LOWEST* rates of
taxation--small wonder, since many social programs have been cut
drastically or eliminated. That is unless you believe prisons are social
programs--in that case we have the highest incarceration rate in the world.
Before we buy into the rhetoric of the Newt-Republican majority (which
was elected by 38% of those eligible to vote, so let's not assume
a mandate), we need to examine why so many in America have totally
opted out of the political process. We need to question the politics
of divisiveness that is increasingly the coin of the realm. Witness
the popularity of Rush Limbaugh--a man who behaves and communicates in
a way that most resembles an unruly junior high school class. One
cannot help but ask, where is the teacher and where did Mr. Limbaugh
learn his manners. But of course, in the postmodern world we live
in, he is probably in the midst of his fifteen minutes of fame--the
unfortunate thing is that the spectacle has become the predominant form of
achieving fame.
There is no doubt that there is a crisis afoot in the United States. The
true crisis is that many have abandoned the notion that democracy is about
equality, social justice, and freedom *FOR ALL*
______________________________________________________________________
Michael J. Ludwig |Home:
Work: |308 Park Avenue
Georgia Southern University |Statesboro, GA 30458
Landrum Box 8075 |(912) 764-4211
Statesboro, GA 30460-8075 |mjludwig@gsvms2.cc.gasou.edu
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(912) 681-0721 (fax)
"Little things console us, because little things afflict us."
-Blaise Pascal
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#227
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 1995 22:04:00 EST
From: dl16
Subject: Re: School lunch debate
In-Reply-To: <9503011546.AA01236@umailsrv1.UMD.EDU>
David Foulk wrote:
I must confess that I don't see the basis for fear of the
devolution effort
>which has in part resulted in moving the responsibility for the school lunch
>program to states. How many of us as health educators feel that we are
>influential enough to have an impact on federal level policy that affect
>what we believe in? The logical next question becomes, do we not have much
>more influence in state and local politics? We can better organize and
>lobby for local and state needs and we should be more effective at being
>heard. It seems to me that if we cannot affect change at the local and
>state level we are not doing our jobs. I hope that what we are hearing is
>not our personal fear of failure. We are diluted and of little significance
>in health care policy at the federal level. This same discussion has
>recently brought up the fact that we do not have a strong or united voice to
>lobby for our positions and we have no answer to that dilema for now. Given
>that we are in this political position, I see the move to state control over
>issues like school lunch programs as a window of opportunity to make
>positive changes in a program that is full of problems.
>
Why not try to be influential at both the state and national levels? You
raise the good question: Why are health educators and our organizations
ineffectual in this regard? Probably has something to do with leadership. If
so, then the situation can and should be remedied. A personal opinion - it
would be nice to see AAHE, APHA, ASHA, et al. collaborate to do some good for
people in the ways discussed here. >
Daniel LEVITON
Email:Daniel_LEVITON@umail.umd.edu (dl16)
Phone:(301) 405-2528
Address: College of HHP
University of Maryland
College Park, MD 20740
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#228
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 09:38:14 -0600
From: gbc4804@ZEUS.TAMU.EDU
Subject: Re: There is no free lunch
> The deficit is not the horrible thing many would make of it.
Funny, Candidate Clinton thought it was, until he was faced with a balanced
budget amendment .
> Social programs like Aid to Dependent Children and the School Lunch
>Program make up such a small proportion of the federal budget (as does
>education for that matter), that I can't help but think that the American
>public has been duped and appears very much like Don Quixote tilting at
>windmills. Not to mention that the WIC program is consistently cited as
>one of the most efficient and effective federal programs ever created.
Care to mention any government-run program than cannot be run better by
private industry? It is still a philosophical issue for many of us. These
activites are not discussed in the Constitution and are, therefore, best
left to the states. (Unless you want to propose a Constitutional amendment.)
> However, a society is best measured by the manner in which it helps the
>least fortunate members among its population.
It is a philosophical question, however, of how best to help them. As for
the statement that we have one of the lowest tax rates in the world, it's
still WAY too high. Anyone who feels that they are undertaxed should direct
their donations to the U.S. Government, who has an office set up for
citizens who want to donate money to them. I'll wait anxiously as April 15
nears for anyone on this network to notify us that you reviewed your tax
forms and, after due consideration, felt that you didn't pay enough.
Government is inefficient. Some has to be tolerated. More becomes
excessively burdensome. As a free society we have to deal with the risks
that people, using their individual judgement and rights, may choose to
behave in ways we don't like or allocate their money in ways we don't like.
That is the price we pay for freedom. [Dan Leviton feel free to jump in
here!]
>We need to question the politics of divisiveness that is increasingly the
>coin of the realm. Witness the popularity of Rush Limbaugh . . . .
Or the Hon. David Bonior (D-NY), who has stated publicly that opponents to
his ideas are "racists," or the Hon. Maxine Waters (D-CA), who likened
proposals to require able-bodied welfare recipients who did not have small
children at home to work or attend job training, to the "Evil Empire" days
of the former Soviet Union. (Prompting the body of Joseph Stalin, who made
Pol Pot look like a choirboy, to spin wildly in its tomb while cackling
loudly.)
> But of course, in the postmodern world we live in, . . . .
Sorry, please define postmodern world. That seems to be an ambiguous term.
>There is no doubt that there is a crisis afoot in the United States. The
>true crisis is that many have abandoned the notion that democracy is >about
equality, social justice, and freedom *FOR ALL*
Even us taxpayers?
OK, let's try to keep our personal political discussions to personal e-mail
& keep this focused on the salient issues for us as health educators. I'll
make this my last post that is not explicitly directed at our professional
activities.
Michael -- I'm enjoying this!
Stay healthy!
Brian
Brian Colwell, Ph.D., CHES
Assistant Professor of Health Education
Texas A&M University
(409) 845-3109
(409) 847-8987 (fax)
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#229
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 09:48:09 CST
From: Sara Long Anderson
Subject: School Lunch Debate
As a health educator and a registered dietitian, the school lunch debate
that has been raging for the past couple of days has been very interesting.
One approach I would like to humbly suggest is that instead of fretting
about the political rhetoric behind the proposed reforms, WRITE YOUR SENATORS,
CONGRESSMEN, AND GOVENORS! The American Dietetic Association issued an
"action alert" to its members over a month ago to urge members (approx.
60,000)
to voice their opinions about this tragedy. The stance that ADA is taking
is one of that nutrition programs affected by the proposed legislature
(WIC, food stamp program, school lunch and breakfast, Nutrition Education
and Training program, child and adult care food program, Older American Act
nut
rition programs, commodity distribution programs, breastfeeding promotion
programs, nutrition programs for homeless children, summer foodservice pro-
grams and the Temporary Emergency Food Assistance Program) are NOT welfare
programs. They are health programs. The populations served by these
programs are at-risk populations and to change these programs would compro-
mise the nutritional status of such. Any revisions to current nutrition
feeding programs must contain national science-based nutrition standards,
target assistance to at-risk individuals and ensure uniform data collection
to enable ongoing program evaluation.
Since the big debate seems to be welfare reform, we need to educate our
legislators that these are NOT welfare programs. They are programs that
will affect the health and well-being of our country. Plus, we all now have
e-mail addressess for those enlightened legislators. Send you message today!
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#230
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 16:36:43 -0600
From: Jacquelyn.Strouse@UNI.EDU
Subject: Re: School Lunch Debate
Someone asked about the involvement of preprofessional teachers and their
preparation to address the many child health issues including nutrition
programs. As the instructor for all of our sections of Health Education
Methods for Elementary Educators, I take this very seriously.
Initially I concentrate on the need for COmprehensive School Health
that is truly comprehensive. The need for school health services and a
healthy
school environment is further supported by publications from Iowa Kids Count,
DHHS, and numerous articles written by many of you. Even considering the room
for improvement in school lunches there seems to be ample evidence to at least
maintain the level of funding (will the block grants gradually be reduced?).
Students in these classes are required to build a resource file that
contains a minimum of two items for every component and content area of CHS.
Additionally the must pick a child health issue and review journal articles.
Starting this session, they will also be required to investigate related
policies and write to an agency or governmant representative, taking a stnad
on
the issue. This is my attempt to encourage health advocacy and democratic
process involvement from those on the front lines. I believe change is
possible and often necessary!!!
Perhaps this will stimulate new ideas or further discussion. I
welcome
feedback...I'm pretty new at this.
In health,
Jacquelyn Strouse
Strouse@ uni.edu
102A West Gym
University of Northern Iowa
50614-0241
(319)273-5930
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#231
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 22:26:00 -0500
Reply-To: The International Electronic Mail Directory for Health Educators
From: RICK PETOSA
Subject: Re: There is no free lunch
Brian Colwell challenges us to propose programs run by the government
that would not be done better, more efficiently, etc. by the private
sector. I accept that challenge.Although care needs to be placed in
framing the question. Words like "better" are subject to many value
laden interpretations. Clearly there are societal needs in which social
costs and benefits do not fit a privatization model.
1. Public Health programs of all sorts (CDCP, epi. departments,
environmental programs, immunization programs and HEALTH PROMOTION
PROGRAMS) are a few examples. Social benefits are great, social cost
are reasonable. Perceived benefits to individuals small rendering
privatization ineffective.
I invite others to add to the list. My point is that government
bashing has become a mindless pasttime rarely leading to
thoughtful, socially responsible actions. It is tempting to reflexively
judge social issues from liberal or conservative perspectives which
have become almost comicly simplistic.
rick petosa
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#232
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 08:47:00 EST
From: "Mail, Pat"
Subject: Position Available
ASSOCIATE DIRECTOR - NATIONAL COMMISSION FOR HEALTH EDUCATION CREDENTIALING,
INC.
The National Commission for health Education, Inc., a small not-for-profit
credentialing organization, seeks an Associate Director.
Primary Responsibilities Include the Oversight of credentialing activities,
certifying candidates, continuing education, administratioin of nationwide
examinations, and managing the Commission's database. The individual
supervises a small staff, prepares and administers the operatinal budget,
and monitors revenues and expenditures.
Expertise is necessary in: program development; marketing; revenue
generation; communication and analytical skills; computer literacy; and
database development and maintenance (FoxPro). Management and interpersonal
skills desirable.
To Qualify: A minimum of 5 years experience and a Master's degree in a
health-related field is desired. Salary range is $40,000-50,000,
commensurate with qualifications and experience.
The position is located in New York City. Relocation expenses are not
available. NCHEC is an Equal Opportunity, Affirmative Action Employer which
does not discriminate on the basis of race, ethnicity, creed, sex, sexual
orientation or, handicap. For additional information or questions, contact
one of the following:
Dr. Martha DuShaw, Chairman NCHEC at (404) 488-5354
Ms. Nancy Miller, Vice Chair NCHEC at (314) 876-3260 ext. 3260
or
Ms. Pat Mail, At-Large Member, at (301) 443-8744/
pmail@willco.niaaa.nih.gov
If interested, send resumes by APRIL 1, 1995 to:
Search Committee
Nat'l Commission Health Education Credentialing
Suite 677
475 Riverside Drive
New York, NY 10115
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#234
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 07:48:51 CST
From: Jim Brown
Subject: Re: There is no free lunch
In-Reply-To: Message of Thu,
2 Mar 1995 22:26:00 -0500 from
Speaking of socially redeeming programs: The House Selected Subcommittee
proposed the following cuts from the Department of Education:
1995 Appropriation 1995 Cut (all in millions)
Safe and Drug-Free Schools 485 485 !!!!
Goals 2000 403 173
Eisenhower Professional Devel
State Grants 320 60
Technology 29 65
This is a disaster that we need to call our representatives about
Jim Brown HPEDJIMB@MIZZOU1.Missouri.EDU
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#235
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 08:00:48 CST
From: Bill Cissell
Subject: Effectiveness of Health Education in Activism
David Foulk and Dan Leviton have exchanged views that criticize health
education/health promotion professionals as a group for failing to be
effective as activists for the greater social good. I have several
observations on this subject. First, to know whether or not we are effective
we need to know the standard against which we are being measured. Second, if
you review the history of health educators having impact on selected social
concerns, you will find some noteworthy contributions. I will cite only
two--Larry Green's leadership in the Office of Health Information and
Promotion and Marshall Kreuter's initiation of the PATCH program through CDC.
Third, while it may seem that a monolithic voice for health education and
health promotion would be wonderful (I am highly attracted to this prospect.),
there are considerable benefits derived from having health educators influence
other health and education professionals by being active in a wide range of
organizations.
To paraphrase Mohan Singh, thank goodness for all those people with despicable
health habits, this gives health educators a purpose. If we focus on current
social concerns and our contributions with the eye of a pessimist, the glass
reflects a certain amount of emptiness. If we focus on them with the eye of
an optimist, the glass reflects a certain amount of fullness. While I am
willing to recognize the challenges facing our profession, I do not want to
overlook our successes. We have demonstrated both our commitment to make a
difference and our ability to do so.
Bill Cissell
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#236
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 08:27:59 CST
From: Bill Cissell
Subject: Political Philosophy Discussion
Brian, the problem with making a political statement and suggesting that the
responses be made to you privately is that the general subscribership of this
discussion lists would not observe the tenor of reaction of the subscribers.
Do we as a group believe that the measure of a well run program is the ability
to make a profit and shift wealth to a few successful business people? Many
of
us believe the success of a government program is its ability to accomplish
the
greatest good for the widest range of citizens. We believe that many
programs,
which may seem inefficient and wasteful from the perspective of a private
business venture, actually benefit most of society by sharing some of the
resources of the society with individuals who would be denied these resources
if we depend upon efficient private corporations to manage the programs.
The Hoover administration tried addressing social problems with private
enterprise. The results were even deeper social problems. The Reagan
administration spend inordinate amounts of money on Star Wars and military
buildup, increasing the budget deficit, while trying to privatize social
programs. He reduce the national debt or reduce either the budget deficit or
the trade deficit.
Further, when government programs are being criticized for inefficiency and
the suggestion that private business could do the job better, those making
these claims almost never include a discussion of the rates of failure among
private businesses. It is my impression that large numbers of businesses
fail.
As I recall businesses failed at an extremely high rate during the Reagan
administration. Do we really want to trust important programs to private
businesses when their failure rate could mean the programs would not be
delivered?
Bill Cissell
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#237
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 09:29:29 -0600
From: Jim Robinson
Subject: Re: There is no free lunch
>Speaking of socially redeeming programs: The House Selected Subcommittee
>proposed the following cuts from the Department of Education:
> 1995 Appropriation 1995 Cut (all in millions)
>Safe and Drug-Free Schools 485 485 !!!!
>Goals 2000 403 173
>Eisenhower Professional Devel
> State Grants 320 60
>Technology 29 65
>
>This is a disaster that we need to call our representatives about
>Jim Brown HPEDJIMB@MIZZOU1.Missouri.EDU
>
Interesting information. This balanced budget initiative is putting all of
our programs "out of balance". Correct me if I am wrong, but it is my
understanding that the drug free schools dollars have been mismanaged by
DOE, and many (if not all funds are being shifted to NIH (NIDA,CSAP).
Dollars will be available, but under different auspices.
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#238
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 13:46:42 EST
From: Z
Subject: Re: There is no free lunch
In-Reply-To: Message of Fri, 03 Mar 95 11:59:44 EST from
Dave, I think it would be appropriate to get this message out to all
H&HP faculty members and GAs in company with names, addresses, telephone
numbers and e:mail addresses of our representatives and senators. Every
educator needs to respond to this. I would imagine the addresses etc
reside on campus somewhere. Whatever office deals with PR and such. If I
can help, tell me how. Thanks.
Christian W Zauner Professor and Dean
East Carolina University
School of Health and Human Performance
Minges Coliseum Office of the Dean Greenville, NC 27858 (919) 328-4630
Bitnet: HPZAUNER@ECUVM1 Internet: HPZAUNER@ECUVM.CIS.ECU.EDU
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#239
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 13:45:03 -0500
From: "Michael J. Ludwig"
Subject: Re: Political Philosophy Discussion
In message Fri, 3 Mar 1995 08:27:59 CST,
Bill Cissell writes:
> the problem with making a political statement and suggesting that
> the responses be made to you privately is that the general subscribership
> of this discussion lists would not observe the tenor of reaction of the
> subscribers.
And, as I pointed out in a personal response, the personal is political.
> Do we really want to trust
> important programs to private businesses when their failure rate could
> mean the programs would not be delivered?
Exactly! See yesterday's NY Times for a piece on the successes and failures
related to privatization in Indianapolis (Dirk Johnson's "In Privatizing
City Services, It's Now 'Indy-a-First-Place'", March 2, 1995, p. A8).
And further, today there is an interesting piece related to the move toward
privatization that freshmen republican house members from Oregon are dead
against. It seems, "Nowhere has he (Scott L. Klug, R-Wisconsin) stirred up
more trouble than in the Northwest, where nine new Republicans were swept
into Congress last fall on a unified promise to reduce government. They
abruptly lost their enthusiasm for the task when Mr. Klug proposed to get
rid of the ultimate sacred cow in their region: low-cost electric power
furnished by Federal dams." (Timothy Egan, "A G.O.P. Attack Hits Bit Too
Close To Home: Freshmen From the Northwest Balk" March 3, 1995, p. A6).
Hmmm?? Makes one wonder.
> Bill Cissell
>
______________________________________________________________________
Michael J. Ludwig |Home:
Work: |308 Park Avenue
Georgia Southern University |Statesboro, GA 30458
Landrum Box 8075 |(912) 764-4211
Statesboro, GA 30460-8075 |mjludwig@gsvms2.cc.gasou.edu
(912) 871-1552 (voice) |mjludwig@gsaix2.cc.gasou.edu
(912) 681-0721 (fax)
"Little things console us, because little things afflict us."
-Blaise Pascal
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#240
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 14:07:00 EST
From: dl16
Subject: Re: Effectiveness of Health Education in Activism
In-Reply-To: <9503031427.AA27715@umailsrv1.UMD.EDU>
Bill Cissell wrote:
>David Foulk and Dan Leviton have exchanged views that
criticize health >education/health promotion professionals as a group for
failing to be effective as activists for the greater social good. I have
several observations on this
>subject. First, to know whether or not we are effective we need to know the
>standard against which we are being measured. Second, if you review the
>history of health educators having impact on selected social concerns, you
>will find some noteworthy contributions. I will cite only two--Larry Green's
>leadership in the Office of Health Information and Promotion and Marshall
>Kreuter's initiation of the PATCH program through CDC. Third, while it may
>seem that a monolithic voice for health education and health promotion would
be >wonderful (I am highly attracted to this prospect.), there are
considerable
>benefits derived from having health educators influence other health and
>education professionals by being active in a wide range of organizations.
>>To paraphrase Mohan Singh, thank goodness for all those people with
despicable >health habits, this gives health educators a purpose. If we focus
on current >social concerns and our contributions with the eye of a pessimist,
the glass >reflects a certain amount of emptiness. If we focus on them with
the eye of an >optimist, the glass reflects a certain amount of fullness.
While I am willing to recognize the challenges facing our profession, I do
not want to overlook >our successes. We have demonstrated both our commitment
to make a difference >and our ability to do so.
>
I don't consider it particularly fruitful to argue over the value of health
education/health educators impact upon the health of people. I wish to get
on with it. My concern is quite specific: Reducing or eliminating the root
causes of that which has been labeled "Horrendous Death" deaths caused by
people such as homicide, war, terrorism, enironmental assualts, accidents,
drug abuse, genocide, and indirectly as in the case of racism and poverty. The
motivation? I know that my kids and yours can be killed at any time due to
these forms of people-caused (hence preventable) death.
Nor am I interested in comparing the performance of HE to other
disciplines/professions in eliminating Horrendous Death. I am also
interested in applying health education, physical activities, and other
aspects of health promotion to bring diverse people together to see one
another as individuals rather than labels and stereotypes, e.g. young-old,
black-white, etc.
Academe, like health education, could improve its value to, and
perception by its constituency. How? By integrating its reservoir of
brainpower and expertise in a variety of disciplines to eliminate HD. A
question is how to organize those health educators and others into an
effective advocacy force always realizing that government-politics is but
one domain of influence and power. Others as or more powerful include
business-industry, labor, the media, the military, religion, education,
medicine, education, and the community.
so I'm looking for like-minded souls, and leadership. I can recommend a
process, goals, and outcomes but that is about all.
Dan
Daniel LEVITON
Email:Daniel_LEVITON@umail.umd.edu (dl16)
Phone:(301) 405-2528
Address: College of HHP
University of Maryland
College Park, MD 20740
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#241
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 21:35:00 EST
From: Isabel Burk
Subject: drug free schools
FROM: Burk, Isabel
TO: SMTP:HEDIR@SIUCVMB.BITNET
CC:
SUBJECT: drug free schools
DATE: 03-03-95 21:30 EST
PRIORITY:
Regarding Drug Free Schools, it certainly isn't true that this is a mismanaged
program. Far from it!!! I assist 117 districts in southern NY to spend their
DFSCA $, I provide customized training, technical assistance, resources,
networking and related comprehensive school health education services.
Believe me, the majority of districts spend their money very frugally and
wisely. Evaluation is required, and biennial monitoring is required by the
Feds.
This is a major loss to districts. How can they replace approximately $5 per
pupil? Especially considering state cuts. In NY, our new budget proposal
includes a 25% cut in state prevention funds. Coupled with the total loss of
federal prevention $, this will devastate student services in the prevention
sector.
Research Triangle Institute studied the impact of DFSCA on districts several
years ago. It documented the initiation and implementaiton of prevention
programs in districts that had previously had none; initiation of student
assistance/ counseling programs; prevention program development; teacher
training; curriculum development.
DFSCA demonstration programs and personnel training grants have provided funds
for training thousands of teachers, teaching assistants, nurses,
administrators, parents, counselors, etc. in five years. All these people
impact students and their families! (And trained personnel also use skills
and knowledge in their own lives.)
Local districts report that these funds have had a direct impact on students
and their families! DSFCA funds support groups for children of alcoholics;
children of drug abusers; assessment and early intervention; parenting
programs; self esteem programs; after school health/wellness activities;
community forums on alcohol/drug abuse; SAFEHOMES programs; and many, many,
many more. These are targeted programs that will not be picked up and will
fall through the wide webbed safety net due to lack of funds or lack of a
specific person to lead. At risk students will not receive essential services
and protective factors that could mean the difference between success and
......
DFSCA funds have proved essential to students' lives and welfare. We know
prevention saves lives and prevention saves $. Our federal reps and senators
need to know how important this program is to every school student. There is
no time to lose.
Isabel Burk, MS, CHES
Regional Drug Education Coordinator
Putnam/No. Westchester BOCES
Yorktown Heights NY 10598 914-248-2454 914-962-6819 (fax)
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#242
Date: Sat, 4 Mar 1995 13:15:33 EST
From: Joyce Morris
Subject: Re: Effectiveness of Health Education in Activism
In-Reply-To: Your message of Fri, 3 Mar 1995 14:07:00 EST
The problem with a lack of advocacy by the various health education
organizations does not lie with the leadership. They do take stands
on issues, write letters, and testify before committees. The problem
is with the rest of us who expect our leaders to do everything while
we sit back and criticize. Like the rest of us, our leaders have real
jobs other than their leadership roles in our professional organizations.
They cannot devote themselves full time to being lobbyists. And even
if they could this would not have the effect that many on this list seem
to believe it would. The power of the AMA and like organizations is not
in their paid lobbyists; it is in the membership who write letters and
visit their congressional delegation. They derive their power from
their membership who keep current on the issues which concern them and
then voice their opinion loudly.
Each of us should ask ourselves when is the last time we wrote a letter
to our senator or representative? When we were in Washington for APHA
did we go over to the Hill to at least speak to our senator's or
representative's staff? Have we made an effort to inform ourselves
of the issues? Have we said to the leadership of our professional
association that we would like to serve on the legislative advocacy
committee? Have we said to our leaders that we are available to testify
on those issues that we are most knowledgeable about and that we have the
greatest passion for? Do we devote class time to how to write a letter,
how to write a position paper, and how to lobby? Are we active in other
organizations or with other organizations that could/should have a voice?
And do we work at a state level in the same way?
Joyce Morris jjmorris@gandalf.rutgers.edu
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#243
Date: Sun, 5 Mar 1995 12:59:15 GMT+0200
From: "SENDER: ANSA.OJANLATVA@UTU.FI"
Subject: Re: Political Philosophy Discussion
In-Reply-To: Your message dated "Fri,
03 Mar 1995 08:27:59 -0600 (CST)"
<01HNPIKTJL8Y90R344@sara.cc.utu.fi>
I agree with Bill Cissell that the discussion should be public--even if it
might be about a US policy and not of interest to international audiences to
the same extent. Keep the responses coming. Anyone not interested in the
discussion can easily delete as long as the SUBJECT identifies the content. AO
____________________
Ansa Ojanlatva, PhD, CSE
faculty member and Coordinator of
Department of Public Health Sexuality Education
University of Turku Center for Reproductive and
Lemminkaisenkatu 1 Developmental Medicine
20520 Turku/Finland
tel. +358-21-633 8513 +358-21-633 81 (operator)
FAX +358-21-633 8439
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#244
Date: Sun, 5 Mar 1995 11:48:38 EST
From: "Robert H. Anderson (West Virginia University)"
Subject: Re: Effectiveness of Health Education in Activism
In-Reply-To: Message of 03/03/95 at 08:00:48 from d_cissell@VENUS.TWU.EDU
Bill's points are well taken. We have been very effective in some cases,
but not in others, but consider the competition. In WV, the tobacco
lobby is in its 17th year of effectively keeping indoor air polluted.
At the local level our record is 12-0 in enacting local Board of Health
smoking restrictions, with more counties considering them right now.
The tobacco lobby's response has been to design a bill that will prohibit
local health departments from any aspect of tobacco control. This special
interest legislation passed the State Senate on March 3; the House of
Delegates has the bill now, with WV's annual 60 day session scheduled to
end this Saturday. Success has been possible at the local level, where
we can identify many supporters, and where the decision rests with
a board of HEALTH. At the state legislature, health is of little interest
to most legislators, and the tobacco lobby is very effective. It doesn't
Bob Anderson, WVU
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#245
Date: Sun, 5 Mar 1995 11:29:02 CST
From: "Mark J. Kittleson (GA3748@SIUCVMB.SIU.EDU)"
Subject: Privacy issues
In light of some recent actions, and from discussing this with several
people, I thought I would forward the HEDIR/E-Mail's position on how
we should treat messages sent through HEDIR and through private messages.
There is still much debate on the privacy of such messages via e-
mail. Although I'm not in a position to discuss such legalities,
it is my opinion that anything sent via the HEDIR list is public
domain information, and by stating something you are releasing
your rights to privacy about that particular memo. On the other
hand, anything sent to somebody at their personal e-mail address
should be considered completely confidential and not shared with
others without the permission of the sender.
If you disagree with this, please share with me your concerns.
_____________________________________________________
Mark J. Kittleson, Ph.D., ga3748@siucvmb.siu.edu
Southern Illinois University
Founder and Owner of the International E-Mail Directory
and the HEDIR listserv
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#246
Date: Sun, 5 Mar 1995 12:51:55 CST
From: Bill Cissell
Subject: Use of Cybertalk in Current Issues Class
Joyce, I appreciate your comments about activism by the rank and file of
professional health education and health promotion organizations. I have been
extracting the messages of our colleagues that address controversial issues.
I will be teaching a graduate course on current issues next summer. I plan to
use the messages extracted to stimulate class interaction about these issues.
Hopefully, you will not mind the use of your comments in this way.
HEDIR subscribers, let me know if you prefer that I not use any of your
messages for this purpose. Andy Jenkins, you can take comfort in that I will
not use the message Michael copied to HEDIR. However, I will raise the
question about appropriate ethics and etiquette in cybertalk.
Please keep on addressing important issues confronting our profession. I
would like to have lots of material for the class.
Bill Cissell
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#247
Date: Mon, 6 Mar 1995 10:07:58 -0600
From: Jim Robinson
Subject: Advocacy
Joyce Morris raises a very good point. We in health education have been very
good over the years of being reactionary to so many issues which affect us.
Keep in mind that, as a profession, separate and distinct, we are young
among other professions. We expect to get the respect we deserve, and when
we don't, we react with a "band-aid" approach to fixing whatever injustice
awaits us, e.g. budget cuts. This may work in light of minor wounds, but
won't repair a hemorrhage. We sit around waiting for "the leadership" to do
something. While I agree that is part of leadership's responsibility, all
of us have got to do a better job of marketing what we are all about. I am
not convinced that we have completely justifed our existence to those we
serve, and to those who serve us (the legislators). Until we do gain better
recognition for what we do AND how well we do it, support will be hard to
come by, and our voices opposing school lunch cuts or anything else will be
mere whispers.
A few years ago, John Burt gave a real interesting presentation to
department chairs at our AAHE meeting. His topic was developing academic
centrality, designed to gain recognition and support from administration in
higher education. The lessons could well be applied to gaining "political
centrality". Send letters to those who need to hear about your programs
(even if some of them are just "hi - thanks for a good job" , "happy
birthday", etc.), newspaper clippings, program announcements, and so forth.
If we don't let them know we are here on an on-going basis, how in the world
can we expect their support during crises?
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#248
Date: Mon, 6 Mar 1995 12:56:54 -0600
From: gbc4804@ZEUS.TAMU.EDU
Subject: Re: Political Philosophy Discussion
Bill Cissell stated:
>Brian, the problem with making a political statement and suggesting that
>the responses be made to you privately is that the general subscribership
>of this discussion lists would not observe the tenor of reaction of the
>subscribers.
But HE started it (glaring in the general direction of Statesboro, Georgia).
I was just thinking that the general readership might be getting tired of
this thread. If not, I'll be happy to follow. Seriously, though, I'm
swamped with work right now so I'll post my responses after a bit.
(Libertarians across the Net heave a sigh of relief.)
Bill, can I start calling you names? That will liven things up!
B
Brian Colwell, Ph.D., CHES
Assistant Professor of Health Education
Texas A&M University
(409) 845-3109
(409) 847-8987 (fax)
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#249
Date: Sun, 5 Mar 1995 12:27:59 CST
From: Bill Cissell
Subject: Observations from Canada
From: MX%"lgreen@unixg.ubc.ca" 4-MAR-1995 17:54:51.58
To: MX%"d_cissell@VENUS.TWU.EDU"
CC: MX%"73243.3121@compuserve.com",MX%"gold@mail.macroint.com"
Subj: Re: Enlightenment from the Master Request
Date: Sat, 4 Mar 1995 15:53:40 -0800 (PST)
From: Lawrence Green
To: d_cissell@VENUS.TWU.EDU
Bill, I am honoured to be asked, and have followed cursorily the debate
raging on the HEDir listserver, but have restrained myself from jumping
into it. Your contributions have seemed most sensible, and I share the
concerns of those who fear a widening of the gaps between the haves and
the have-nots. Canada, too, is struggling with these questions as it
faces an even more severe deficit, though a more favourable balance of
payments in foreign trade. We pay higher taxes in Canada, but somehow it
doesn't seem so painful when we note the relative paucity of homeless
people on the streets downtown, the higher longevity and other better
health indicators and access indicators for health services in Canada
than in the U.S. But some of this is threatened by the economy and the
politics of trying to get control of deficits and foreign debts. Even
with a relatively liberal Canadian government in office, these programs are
threatened, so we cannot blame the threats of eroding programs in the
U.S. entirely on the Republican Congress. Australia, New Zealand, Sweden
and other European countries have gone through similar wrenching
downsizing of their social programs.
In short, I am no Master on this topic (nor on others for which I am
often giving gratuitous advice). I do remain optimistic about the
potential of health education and health promotion, through empowering
people with information and knowledge they did not have access to before,
and the diffusion of ideas and technology, to produce innovations at
local and state or provincial levels that will be emulated across
North America. If you think these soothing words will not distract our
colleagues from maintaining their political passions, feel free to copy
it onto the listserver. --Larry
On Sat, 4 Mar 1995 d_cissell@VENUS.TWU.EDU wrote:
> Larry, I recently received a request to "...persuade The Master to share
some
> enlightenment with us during these troubled times." My perception of the
> request was that some of the HEDIR subscribers would feel reassured if you
gave them guidance on dealing with the "New Republicans." I realize that
engaging in this kind of nettalk can be distracting and of little value
relative to scholarly production. I will understand if you decline to get
involved in the current debates.
>
> May all be well with you and Judy. I have been in contact with Marsh and am
> familiar with the EMPOWER endeavor in which you, Marsh, and Bob are engaged.
> I am trying to help Marsh with some marketing of it in Texas. Hopefully
this
> will go well.
>
> Bill Cissell
>
>
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#250
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 08:12:00 EST
From: dl16
Subject: Re: Observations from Canada
In-Reply-To: <9503070923.AA03380@umailsrv1.UMD.EDU>
>From: MX%"lgreen@unixg.ubc.ca" 4-MAR-1995 17:54:51.58
>To: MX%"d_cissell@VENUS.TWU.EDU"
>CC: MX%"73243.3121@compuserve.com",MX%"gold@mail.macroint.com"
>Subj: Re: Enlightenment from the Master Request
>
>Date: Sat, 4 Mar 1995 15:53:40 -0800 (PST)
>From: Lawrence Green
>To: d_cissell@VENUS.TWU.EDU
>
>Bill, I am honoured to be asked, and have followed cursorily the debate
>raging on the HEDir listserver, but have restrained myself from jumping
>into it. Your contributions have seemed most sensible, and I share the
>concerns of those who fear a widening of the gaps between the haves and
>the have-nots. Canada, too, is struggling with these questions as it
>faces an even more severe deficit, though a more favourable balance of
>payments in foreign trade. We pay higher taxes in Canada, but somehow it
>doesn't seem so painful when we note the relative paucity of homeless
>people on the streets downtown, the higher longevity and other better
>health indicators and access indicators for health services in Canada
>than in the U.S. But some of this is threatened by the economy and the
>politics of trying to get control of deficits and foreign debts. Even
>with a relatively liberal Canadian government in office, these programs are
>threatened, so we cannot blame the threats of eroding programs in the
>U.S. entirely on the Republican Congress. Australia, New Zealand, Sweden
>and other European countries have gone through similar wrenching
>downsizing of their social programs.
>
>In short, I am no Master on this topic (nor on others for which I am
>often giving gratuitous advice). I do remain optimistic about the
>potential of health education and health promotion, through empowering
>people with information and knowledge they did not have access to before,
>and the diffusion of ideas and technology, to produce innovations at
>local and state or provincial levels that will be emulated across
>North America. If you think these soothing words will not distract our
>colleagues from maintaining their political passions, feel free to copy
>it onto the listserver. --Larry
>
>On Sat, 4 Mar 1995 d_cissell@VENUS.TWU.EDU wrote:
>
>> Larry, I recently received a request to "...persuade The Master to share
some
>> enlightenment with us during these troubled times." My perception of the
>> request was that some of the HEDIR subscribers would feel reassured if you
> gave them guidance on dealing with the "New Republicans." I realize that
> engaging in this kind of nettalk can be distracting and of little value
> relative to scholarly production. I will understand if you decline to get
> involved in the current debates.
>>
>> May all be well with you and Judy. I have been in contact with Marsh and
am
>> familiar with the EMPOWER endeavor in which you, Marsh, and Bob are
engaged.
>> I am trying to help Marsh with some marketing of it in Texas. Hopefully
this
>> will go well.
>>
>> Bill Cissell
>>
>>
>
In this day and age of violence and Horrendous Death, Health Education and
Health Promotion have an obligation and opportunity to do some significant
good. Action in programing, leadership development, and advocacy are called
for before we suffer increased effects of societal implosion and explosion.
Providing information and knowledge in the hope of empowering is worthwhile.
But it is not enough. Still everyone needs to do their thing.
I'm curious. What is the subject matter of your "empowerment process"? Does it
include the means to influence government, corporations-business, medicine,
the media, etc? Who would you empower? College students? Administrators? Or is
"empowerment" simply a politically correct word with no pragmatic value to
change the present and future health environment?
A personal note: You hit my button. What "Master" are you referring to?
God? Newt? I know of people whose opinion and insight are worthy of listening
to - but Master? Ugh, spare me.
Dan Leviton
Daniel LEVITON
Email:Daniel_LEVITON@umail.umd.edu (dl16)
Phone:(301) 405-2528
Address: College of HHP
University of Maryland
College Park, MD 20740
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#251
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 08:34:57 CST
From: "Mark J. Kittleson (GA3748@SIUCVMB.SIU.EDU)"
Subject: A definition
I walked into a discussion of our graduate students that were talking
about "political correctness". They asked me my opinion for a "formal
definition", and to be quite honest, I stammered and skirted the issue.
To be really honest, I really don't know what a good definition is,
and I don't really know if "political correctness" is a term that
is coveted by liberals or conservatives, or whoever. Now, I do believe I
know some of end-products of "political correctness", such
as proper terms to use for certain groups but beyond that I'm a little
confused. Any ideas?
Thanks.
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#252
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 11:28:00 EST
From: jg56
Subject: Community Service
To Everyone:
I have enjoyed being a voyeur as I observed comments from many of you
relative to the nature and value of health education (at least that is how I
interpret the underlying issue relative to the recent harangues and
diatribes) . One of the reasons I am so interested in this discussion is
because this year I am the "stuckee" at AAHE. That is, I was honored with
the AAHE Scholar Award last year and must make a speech in Portland this
year (a MAJOR anxiety-provoker, I might add). My speech will pertain to
problems our communities encounter (especially, but not exclusively, children
and youth) and as I consider what can be done to respond to these problems I
have come to two conclusions: 1) I am inadequate to the task (as I believe
you are), 2) However, I can have an influence on a small number of people.
Now, certainly I can participate in organizing and lobbying for major societal
changes (e.g., raising the poverty levels as defined by the government so
more adults and children are eligible for benefits) but, at least in my
view, the time devoted to this effort will distract from what I can do for
people in my immediate community. Chernin referred to this as the "Politics
of Small."
I suggest we ask ourselves, "What is it that I can do to help improve the
lives of my neighbors?" rather than, "What can I do with other professional
health educators to change the health of the nation?" If we all concentrated
on our communities, perhaps the health of the nation would be affected (or
is it effected, I never know the difference) to a greater extent than
nationally organized efforts. I have recently been appointed Director of
Community Service in our College of Health and Human Performance with the
responsibility for getting students out of their "antiseptic" classrooms to
apply what they know and the skills they develop to help people in our
community improve their lives. My hope is that this program will be so
successful that others of you will want to emulate it.
What we hold sacred in health education may not be what people really need--
or at least, what they need first. They really need food, and safety, and
shelter, and a purpose in life. Too many of our neighbors are searching
garbage cans for their next meal, or buying "The Club" for fear their car
will be stolen, or unable to get adequate health care for their sick
children for me to be too concerned about sexuality education, drug
education, nutrition education, etc. I apologize if this offends anyone.
That is not my intent. I also apologize for my naivete. I guess as I
approach my mid-life crisis (if this is mid-life, I'm going to live to be
over 100!) I feel a need to be hands-on with real people and see the effects
I have, and the programs with which I am involved have, in their lives. I also
apologize for an impatience that has haunted me all of my life. I do not
want to wait to help people. I do not believe they want me to become
immersed in national issues while ignoring their need to find a place to
sleep tonight.
I could go on and on making an even bigger fool of myself, but enough for
now. Phew! I feel much better now.
Peace and Health,
Jerry Greenberg
University of Maryland
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#253
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 10:25:55 -0600
From: "L. Melendez-Figuero"
Subject: Health Promotion in Churches
By nature (God Nature) churches have being in the healing business. Many
people do not
know how much individuals save in psychological and psychiatric care
because their needs are met in their congregation. Besides, I
belong to a church were there are focus groups dealing with teen pregnancy,
Obesity, Rape and Incest, Divorce, etc. Through the American Heart
Association
I know aout their involvement for High Blood Pressure Screening and other
cardiovascular disease.
Churches are greate places to establish health promotion programs
because must (if not all) work in the premise looking for the common well
being of the believer. Churches also promote that the body is the temple
of the Holly
Spirit. Another point is that many Ministers and Pastors have great
influence in their congregation because their personal values and character.
If
Pastors and Minisrters are target as a port of entry for health promotion
programs, a lot of the Year 2000 Objectives for the Nation could be reached
(or least get close to then).
Leo Melendez
University of Texas at Austin
(512) 471-4405
PD: I am interested in this subject because of my previous involvement
with Hispanic and Black People in the church environment.
>To Mimi Kiser
>From Diane Snow, Univ. of Texas at Arlington School of Nursing
>
>How very exciting to hear about your interests and the whole realm of
>faith communities, health promotion in congregations, etc.
>
>I have been very interested in this but not as action oriented--one
>thing I did for 2-3 years was to write a column in our church's
>newsletter entitled "The Rainbow." I wrote about spiritual health;i.e.,
>grieving, dealing with emotions, trust, and getting through the
>struggles of daily life with Jesus as our constant Companion.It was
>focused on the renewal movement, as I am active in Cursillo in the
>Episcopal Church, serving as Rector once,etc.
>
>I teach Adult Church School each week--focusing now on the Sunday
>Epistle lesson. This is more of a facilitator role as I ask the
>questions, and off we go. It is a way to build a spirit of community in
>the Church through sharing of our brokenness, our humanness,and our
>faith--as Scott Peck would say. Sometimes we do meditation and other
>forms of spiritual aids. Since I am a psych/addictions nurse, this is
>the area of health I would be best at fostering anyway. However, I do
>want to expand this to more of a parish ministry someday.
>
>I have also spoken to the teens about how to understand their parents
>better. Many years ago I taught first aid kinds of things to kids. Some
>ideas: BP screening, Prevention of alcoholism and drug abuse, nutrition,
>etc.
>Our community based care needs to reach churches.
>I also am involved in a community alcohol and drug program in which the
>churches are represented and we want to start prevention of tobacco
>abuse in children using the churches.
>My address: PO Box 19407 Arlington TX 76019-0407 (please send Faith and
>Healing). pHone 817-273-2776, FAX 817-794-5006
>Thanks Diane Snow, Snow@UTA.edu
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#254
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 10:53:29 CST
From: Bill Cissell
Subject: Invitation to CBe Called Names
Brian, I have no problem with you increasing the enjoyment of political
philosophy discussions with interesting monikers for the opposition. I would
prefer that we avoid Bevis and Butthead language. The political converse of
Newtniks, Armeydogs, Doleites, or Grahamcrackers would be acceptable.
Bill Cissell
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#255
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 11:39:27 CST
From: Bill Cissell
Subject: Laying the Moniker of Master on Larry Green
Dan, I take responsibility for laying the moniker of master on Larry Green.
He is completely innocent. Larry wisely avoided participation in the "raging
debates" on HEDIR prior to my solicitation. I responded to a request that I
"persuade 'The master' to share some words of enlightment with us." I
attributed the designation of master to Larry because many, particularly those
active in SOPHE and the AWHP, consider the most cited author and recipient of
the largest volume of awards and other symbols of recognition to be the
foremost leader of our profession.
Bill Cissell
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#256
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 13:01:07 -0800
From: Kim Clark
Subject: Re: Community Service
JG:
I rarely reply, also being a voyeur of sorts.
What concerns me regarding the "politics of small" is (perhaps) an
assumption I see daily in my undergraduates: that individual right
thinking/acting/living will somehow influence and reform health/social
policy and the nation as a whole. Has anyone ever demonstrated a direct
causal link (from local to national rather than visa versa) between a
healthy personal lifestyle and (determinants of ) national health and
social services policy?
It appears to me from my very small corner of the world that we little guys
are being kept busy with a smokescreen of local goodwork, while
profit-or-position-driven idealogues play the big game according to a very
different set of rules...
Think globally (which to me means maintaining a systems approach, advocacy
and policy support through my vote, professional organizations and PAC
donations) even as I act locally.
KIm
Kim Robert Clark, DrPH
Assistant Professor
Department of Health SCience and Human Ecology
California State University San Bernardino
San Bernardino, California 92407
(909) 880-5323
(909) 880-7005 FAX
kclark@wiley.csusb.edu
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#257
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 13:27:34 -0800
From: Kim Clark
Subject: Re: Health Promotion in Churches
Not all churches practice what they preach, and visa versa. I fail to see
where condemnation, shame, rejection and exclusivity contribute to personal
or community health -- as currently demonstrated by an extremely visible
right wing in religious America.
The remaining churches may or may not be interested in promoting personal
and community health, due to basic world views: those which reject the
world as evil may be emphasizing right living among their own congregation
and converts (Mormons, Adventists) but may demonstrate little commitment to
collaborative community health efforts (a.k.a. "sanctuary churches"). The
more mainstream world-embracing churches ("in the world but not of it") are
most attractive to me as a community health educator because they are
typically more collaborative players with other churches and agencies,
enhancing a vision of collective health and responsibility, often modeling
good mental health (and Biblical) principles to their congregations, but
lacking solid health education/promotion knowhow.
You're right: pastors are the gatekeepers to community participation in
health and social issues, even more so than denominational ideology (this
was the topic of my dissertation at Berkeley). Education, media exposure,
and history of participaton in community service clubs and ministerial
associations were all positively correlated with pastor-church
participation in community health and social issues.
I had also hypothesized that low income congregations of color would be
more active at the community level than would white middle class
congregations (due to greater exposure to health and social problems?):
wrong again! Many white middle class congregations exhibited greater social
participation -- but sadly this sort of participation was
characteristically denominational-rhetoric driven, actively fighting
against the schools (sex education, HIV/AIDS education) or public policy
(free choice, clinical services, etc.) and exhibited little to no
collaboration or ongoing commitment to resolution in cooperation with other
community agencies. Again, a rejection of the evil world, standing on the
sidelines and throwing stones.
Surprisingly, a strong correlate of community participation was locus of
administrative control: strongly heriarchical denominational churches often
shunted their financial and humanpower resources out of the local community
(donations, missions, etc.) whereas local independent churches
acted...locally!
These observations are based on data and interviews with approximately 70
churches of very mixed description in Riverside, (southern) California in
the late '80's. It would be interesting to hear about regional variations.
Responses?
Kim Robert Clark, DrPH
Assistant Professor
Department of Health SCience and Human Ecology
California State University San Bernardino
San Bernardino, California 92407
(909) 880-5323
(909) 880-7005 FAX
kclark@wiley.csusb.edu
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#258
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 17:56:00 EST
From: dl16
Subject: Re: Laying the Moniker of Master on Larry Green
In-Reply-To: <9503071958.AA23183@umailsrv1.UMD.EDU>
>Dan, I take responsibility for laying the moniker of master on Larry Green.
He
>is completely innocent. Larry wisely avoided participation in the "raging
>debates" on HEDIR prior to my solicitation. I responded to a request that I
>"persuade 'The master' to share some words of enlightment with us." I
>attributed the designation of master to Larry because many, particularly
those
>active in SOPHE and the AWHP, consider the most cited author and recipient of
>the largest volume of awards and other symbols of recognition to be the
>foremost leader of our profession.
>
>Bill Cissell
>
I thought that honor belonged to Mohan Singh.
Dan>
Daniel LEVITON
Email:Daniel_LEVITON@umail.umd.edu (dl16)
Phone:(301) 405-2528
Address: College of HHP
University of Maryland
College Park, MD 20740
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#259
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 18:30:35 EST
From: Mitchell Brodsky
Subject: Re: A definition
> I walked into a discussion of our graduate students that were talking
> about "political correctness". They asked me my opinion for a "formal
> definition", and to be quite honest, I stammered and skirted the issue.
> To be really honest, I really don't know what a good definition is,
> and I don't really know if "political correctness" is a term that
> is coveted by liberals or conservatives, or whoever. Now, I do believe I
> know some of end-products of "political correctness", such
> as proper terms to use for certain groups but beyond that I'm a little
> confused. Any ideas?
>
> Thanks.
I believe the term "political correctness" is more than just
"proper terms." Terms, definitions, pronouns, etc. that do not
offend that particular group. I believe that "offend" is the key
word.
Mitch
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#260
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 18:41:34 EST
From: Mitchell Brodsky
Subject: Re: Community Service
Jerry,
As someone who invested in "The Club" about a year ago with
excellent results, I sympathize with your position. However, as a
health educator, isn't it our goal to educate about drugs,
alcohol, sexuality, etc. to help others avoid the homelessness
and hunger brought on by ignorance or some other reason? Just
asking. Good luck with your speech.
Mitch
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#261
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 18:42:00 EST
From: dl16
Subject: Re: Community Service
In-Reply-To: <9503071854.AA16001@umailsrv1.UMD.EDU>
Jerry Greenberg wrote well about applying the concept of "think globally,
act locally." All for it - couldn't agree more. However, let it be
understood that it is like the kid from Holland placing his finger in the
dike. It does some real good in the short run but it doesn't stop the flood.
Get at the causes if we wish to stop the flood of unnecessary deaths.
Jerry quotes Chernin re "the politics of the small." Well, one can do both,
that is act locally *and* globally. The name of the game is influence
resulting in action. Time is not wasted influencing one's peers and
colleagues, as well as representatives of the domains of influence and
power. Nor is time wasted building houses, providing food, or otherwise
affecting the health of the economically deprived. AGAIN, IT DOES NOT HAVE
TO BE EITHER, OR - IT CAN BE BOTH.
One lesson that I have learned after 23 years of working with 100-180 well
and less than well diverse older adults each year is that there are
"cheerleaders" and "players." The former cheer the players on, and then leave
the situation to them to get their hands dirty day after day. Their
contribution is fluff. If you wish to gain real satisfaction be one of the
players.
Daniel LEVITON
Email:Daniel_LEVITON@umail.umd.edu (dl16)
Phone:(301) 405-2528
Address: College of HHP
University of Maryland
College Park, MD 20740
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#262
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 19:01:53 EST
From: "Robert H. Anderson (West Virginia University)"
Subject: Re: A definition
In-Reply-To: Message of 03/07/95 at 08:34:57 from GA3748@SIUCVMB.SIU.EDU
I'll let the wordsmiths give a good definition. Now it is used by people
for almost any reason. A Tobacco Institute spokesperson once attacked
pro-health people in tobacco control by saying, "smoking is not politically
correct." People of almost any political bent can start a sentence by
saying, "I know it's not politically correct, but . . . ."
Bob Anderson
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#263
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 07:22:00 EST
From: dl16
Subject: Re: Community Service
In-Reply-To: <9503080105.AA22842@umailsrv1.UMD.EDU>
K. Clarke wrote:
>JG:
>
>I rarely reply, also being a voyeur of sorts.
>
>What concerns me regarding the "politics of small" is (perhaps) an
>assumption I see daily in my undergraduates: that individual right
>thinking/acting/living will somehow influence and reform health/social
>policy and the nation as a whole. Has anyone ever demonstrated a direct
>causal link (from local to national rather than visa versa) between a
>healthy personal lifestyle and (determinants of ) national health and
>social services policy?
>
>It appears to me from my very small corner of the world that we little guys
>are being kept busy with a smokescreen of local goodwork, while
>profit-or-position-driven idealogues play the big game according to a very
>different set of rules...
>
>Think globally (which to me means maintaining a systems approach, advocacy
>and policy support through my vote, professional organizations and PAC
>donations) even as I act locally.
>
>
Couldn't agree more. Although some people are best suited going one way or
another rather than both. Some form of preventive or remedial action is better
than nothing.
Another thought sure to arouse flaming, and homicidal impulses: Ours is a
mediocre profession at best having little impact on the well-being of the
population. Certainly, we are not known or recognized by the public in the
same way that other professions are. One reason may be that health
education and health promotion have rarely taken on the big issues of the
day, e.g., racism, violence, hunger, and other forms of Horrendous Death.
Our professional organizations (the few that I know of) were and are never
in the forefront on issues. For example, AAHPERD (AAHE) came around to the
idea of equal and civil rights only when it was mainstream thinking. Forgive a
cliche: Great organizations and professions benefit by taking the lead
rather than always following.
Our related professions, HE and HP, have the opportunity to really make an
impact, and achieve their hugh potential to do good. Personally, I am most
impressed with the leadership of Michael O'Donnell, editor of the Amer. J.
Health Promotion. He and his journal have always been concerned with both the
so-called "small" and "global" issues. In a similar way, the Harvard School
of Public Health publishes "Health & Human Rights." In short, many in the
HE, HP, and health community in general see the need, and are moved to
action. More of the same is needed.
I know the Master, Mohan Singh, would agree.
Dan
Daniel LEVITON
Email:Daniel_LEVITON@umail.umd.edu (dl16)
Phone:(301) 405-2528
Address: College of HHP
University of Maryland
College Park, MD 20740
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#264
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 08:40:30 EST
From: "R. Black"
Subject: Director, Health Promotion Programs,
Purdue University Student Health Center
N O T I F I C A T I O N
DIRECTOR, HEALTH PROMOTION PROGRAMS: The Purdue University Student Health
Center is seeking candidates for the position of Director, Health Promotion
Programs. Responsibilities include providing leadership, technical
assistance,
and staff support in health education programming; cooperative health
programming with other campus and community resources; and encouraging
extramural funding activities.
QUALIFICATIONS: Qualifications include a doctorate in health education,
health
promotion, or public health; experience in health education program
administration, grant-writing, communication, and networking skills.
Competitive salary (upper 30's); excellent benefits.
CONTACT: Send letter of interest to Dr. James S. Westman, Director, Purdue
University Student Health Center, Purdue University, West Lafayette, IN
47907.
Screening of candidates will begin April 15, 1995. Purdue University is an
Equal Opportunity/Affirmative Action Institution.
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#265
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 09:30:12 EST
From: stu fors
Subject: Re: Community Service
In-Reply-To: Message of Tue,
7 Mar 1995 11:28:00 EST from
RE: Jerry Greenberg's "offering" -
What's the phrase on the bumper sticker? "Think Globally, Act Locally".
or -"if we each just lit one little candle, what a bright world it
would be!" Great idea with the community involvement for your majors,
Jerry. Our majors, particularly thrugh Eta Sigma Gamma, do quite a bit
of volunteer work in the Athens/Clarke County area. A touch of reality!!
stu
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#266
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 10:07:41 -0800
From: Paula Swinford
Subject: Re: A definition
Political Correctness is being polite enough to ask those involved what is
correct.
******************************************************************************
Paula Swinford, MS, CHES 213/740-WELL
Assistant Director 213/740-0214 fax
University Park Health Center swinford@mizar.usc.edu
University of Southern California
****************************************************************************
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#267
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 13:40:40 -0500
From: "Carolyn Parks (U of North Carolina at"
Subject: Re: Community Service
A resounding YES to your call and message, Jerry! Share THAT in your
"scholarly" talk at AAHE!!!!!!!
Carol Parks
UNC School of Public Health
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#268
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 13:50:20 -0500
From: "Carolyn Parks (U of North Carolina at"
Subject: Re: Laying the Moniker of Master on Larry Green
Bill,
Those of us who have successfully utilized Larry's ideas and thinking
through our projects, coursework, and our own professional development have
no problem with the assignment of "master." Let me add to your list of
"leadership" qualities re: our profession - one of the most forward and
insightful thinkers in health education. Hope to see you in Portland!
Carol Parks
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#269
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 13:13:18 CST
Reply-To: The International Electronic Mail Directory for Health Educators
From: "Brian F. Geiger"
Subject: Re: Health Promotion in Churches
In-Reply-To: Message of Tue,
7 Mar 1995 10:25:55 -0600 from
I agree with Leo that many health promotion program planners have neglect-
ed to invite church communities as equal partners in community health
programs. One of the reasons my wife (a health psychologist) and I partici-
pate in a Birmingham-area Presbyterian church is because of the active
health-related outreach and ministry programs. Our minister organized the
first support group for families with a child who has Attention Deficit
Disorder in our area. We also sponsor through our church a boy scout troop
and host 21-step groups for persons who are dependent on alcohol and survi-
vors of incest. Lay members of the congregation have been trained in minis-
try and sponsor a weekly service of "Wholeness and Healing." Persons who
are interested in creative ideas for church-community health and welfare
programs may wish to contact Presbyterian Church USA Health Ministries,
which sponsors the Presbyterian AIDS Network, Presbyterians Reaffirming
Reproductive Options Network, Presbyterians for Disabilities Concerns Network,
Presbyterian Network on Alcohol and Other Drugs, Presbyterian Health Network,
and Mental Illness Network. For more information, contact the Presbyterian
Health, Education and Welfare Assn, 100 Witherspoon St. #3041, Louisville,
KY 40202-1396. Brian F. Geiger, UAB Department of Human Studies, EB 207,
University of Alabama at Birmingham, University Station, Birmingham, AL
35294-1250, (205) 934-8326, EDU5060@UABDPO.DPO.UAB.EDU
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#270
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 14:37:00 -0500
From: "Molly Laflin, PhD"
Subject: Re: A definition
>Political Correctness is being polite enough to ask those involved what is
>correct.
REPLY: That is probably how it started, but I find that it has grown into
a way to oppress free speech and to judge people's hearts. To tell you the
truth, I'm sick of PC and the arrogant way it is used to intimidate people
from speaking their minds. The "in club" can be smug because they have the
latest approved lingo. Those not "in the know" are judged to be racist,
sexist or pigs of one sort or another. (shades of mow mowing the flack
catchers?)
I used to be one of those who used PC lingo to be obnoxious and
judgmental towards those who were not "PC." How arrogant I was to judge
the hearts of those who didn't used the latest jargon. Now I find that
research into certain topics is squelched because it's not PC. People are
afraid to ask questions for fear of being thought they're inadequate
because they don't already know what has been deemed politically correct.
Thorough discussions about how to recruit more minority faculty is impeded
because it's not PC to bring up certain germane issues that need to be
addressed in order to solve the problem. Somehow it's sexist to question,
as Katie Roiphe did in " The morning after : sex, fear, and feminism on
campus," to question figures like 1 in 4 women are raped. All too often PC
is used to judge and feel superior to others. I'm against anything that
hinders free expression of ideas. I think the truth will win out if given
a chance. This is not an endorsement of hateful speech, it is
encouragement of nonjudgmental exchanges. It is an endorsement of efforts
to try to understand rather than judge each other.
I'm all for being polite and sensitive to the concerns of everyone,
but I think political correctness has gone too far.
>
>*****************************************************************************
*
>Paula Swinford, MS, CHES 213/740-WELL
>Assistant Director 213/740-0214 fax
>University Park Health Center swinford@mizar.usc.edu
>University of Southern California
>****************************************************************************
Molly Laflin, Ph.D., Bowling Green State University
419-372-0301 voice, 419-372-8012 fax
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#271
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 15:32:00 EST
From: Ken Packer
Subject: Using HEDIR To Share Resources
FROM: Packer, Kenneth L.
TO: SMTP:HEDIR@SIUCVMB.BITNET
CC:
SUBJECT: Using HEDIR To Share Resources
DATE: 03-08-95 15:30 EST
PRIORITY:
In a recent "chat" with Mark Kittleson, we discussed the fact that many of us
health educators have over the years developed innovative materials and
curriculum as part of our jobs or as consultants. A great percentage of these
materials are only available from our employers and not large publishing
houses. We, therefore, have no way of knowing that they exist.
I suggested to Mark that a good use of HEDIR would be to let others know of
the availability of these innovative products, even though on some networks
such "advertising" is frowned upon. Mark agreed by saying, "I see the use of
this service to promote many aspects of the profession, and I see nothing
wrong with promoting a curriculum that is related to the health profession.
Whether there is a charge, to me, is irrelevant. By all means, feel free to
share this information."
Finding out about new resources enriches our libraries and enhances our
ability to serve our constituents. I look forward to hearing what others have
developed and sharing some of the materials we have produced at the Regional
Health Education Center.
Kenneth Packer
pack100w@wonder.em.cdc.gov
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#272
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 18:25:00 PST
From: "Patterson, Sheila M."
Subject: AAHE Recognition of NCATE Approved Programs
AAHE and the AAHE/NCATE review committee would like to congratulate and
recognize the following 51 programs which have been found to meet national
standards for preparing teachers of health education. We also extend our
thanks to the many professionals who serve as Folio Reviewers. Anyone
wishing to apply to be folio reviewer is invited to attend the Folio
Training Session at the AAHE meeting in Portland, from 3-5pm in the Marriott
Hotel (Salon C Ballroom) on Wednesday March 29th. Please call Aileen Frazee
at AAHE (703)476-3420 to register.
Sheila Patterson
spatters@wcupa.edu
AAHE/NCATE Approved Programs in Health Education
Applachian State University
Boone, AL
Austin Peay University
Clarksville, TN
Bemidji State University
Bemidji MN
Bowling Green State University
Bowling Green, OH
California State University-Northridge
Northridge, CA
Central Washington University
Ellensburg WA
Concordia College
Moorehead, MN
East Carolina University
Greenville, NC
East Stroudsburg University
East Stroudsburg, PA
Eastern Kentucky University
Richmond, KY
Hofstra University
Hempstead, NY
Indiana University of Pennsylvania
Indiana, PA
Iowa State University
Ames, IA
James Madison University
Harrisonburg, VA
Kent State University
Kent, OH
Montclair State University
Montclair, NJ
Norfolk State University
Norfolk, VA
Northeast Missouri State University
Kirksville, MO
Oregon State University
Corvallis, OR
Plymouth State University
Plymouth, NH
Purdue University
West Lafayette IN
Rhode Island College
Providence RI
Saint Cloud State University
St. Cloud, MN
San Diego State University
San Diego, CA
Slippery Rock University
Slippery Rock, PA
South Carolina Sate University
Orangeburg SC
Southern University and A & M College
Baton Rouge, LA
Southwest Texas State University
San Marcos, TX
Temple University
Philadelphia, PA
Texas A & M University
College Station, TX
The Pennsylvania State University
University Park, PA
Towson State University
Towson, MD
University of Akron
Akron, OH
University of Arkansas at Fayetteville
Fayetteville, AR
University of Central Arkansas
Conway, AR
University of Cincinati
Cincinatti, OH
University of Dayton
Dayton, OH
University of Florida-Gainesville
Gainesville, FL
University of Georgia
Athens, GA
University of Louisville
Louisville, KY
University of MN-Duluth
Duluth, MN
University of Missouri-Columbia
Columbia, MO
University of Nebraska-Lincoln
Lincoln, NE
University of Nevada-Las Vegas
Las Vegas, NV
University of North Carolina-Greensboro
Greensboro, NC
University of North Texas
Denton, TX
Virginia Commonwealth University
Richmond, VA
Washington State University
Pullman, WA
West Chester University
West Chester, PA
West Liberty State College
West Liberty, WV
Youngstown State University
Youngstown, OH
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#273
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 17:57:06 -0800
From: Lawrence Green
Subject: Re: A definition
In-Reply-To: <199503080245.SAA06748@unixg.ubc.ca>
Someone asked for a definition of 'political correctness' and Mitchell
Brodsky offered
"Terms, definitions, pronouns, etc. that do not offend that
particular group. I believe that 'offend' is the key word."
I agree that 'offend' is the operational word, though I would prefer
'harm' because some people are offended too easily. But 'political
correctness' especially on university and college campuses has taken on
the pejorative meaning of suppression of academic freedom and freedom of
speech where those offended employ repressive tactics to censor anyone who
expresses opinions counter to their own ideology. I believe health
educators should define it for their students in both ways so that
students will be aware of their need to use language that is not ABUSIVE
to any group based on race, colour, gender or other genetically endowed or
ethnically ascribed characteristics, but they should also be cautious not
to countenance 'political correctness' of the second kind which censors
the expression of opinions that do not adhere to a politically (read
ideologically) popular point of view. --Larry Green
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#274
Date: Thu, 9 Mar 1995 10:08:00 EST
From: rs12
Subject: Re: A definition
In-Reply-To: <9503090135.AA11113@umailsrv1.UMD.EDU>
>>Political Correctness is being polite enough to ask those involved what is
>>correct.
>
>REPLY: That is probably how it started, but I find that it has grown into
>a way to oppress free speech and to judge people's hearts. To tell you the
>truth, I'm sick of PC and the arrogant way it is used to intimidate people
>from speaking their minds. The "in club" can be smug because they have the
>latest approved lingo. Those not "in the know" are judged to be racist,
>sexist or pigs of one sort or another. (shades of mow mowing the flack
>catchers?)
> I used to be one of those who used PC lingo to be obnoxious and
>judgmental towards those who were not "PC." How arrogant I was to judge
>the hearts of those who didn't used the latest jargon. Now I find that
>research into certain topics is squelched because it's not PC. People are
>afraid to ask questions for fear of being thought they're inadequate
>because they don't already know what has been deemed politically correct.
>Thorough discussions about how to recruit more minority faculty is impeded
>because it's not PC to bring up certain germane issues that need to be
>addressed in order to solve the problem. Somehow it's sexist to question,
>as Katie Roiphe did in " The morning after : sex, fear, and feminism on
>campus," to question figures like 1 in 4 women are raped. All too often PC
>is used to judge and feel superior to others. I'm against anything that
>hinders free expression of ideas. I think the truth will win out if given
>a chance. This is not an endorsement of hateful speech, it is
>encouragement of nonjudgmental exchanges. It is an endorsement of efforts
>to try to understand rather than judge each other.
> I'm all for being polite and sensitive to the concerns of everyone,
>but I think political correctness has gone too far.
>
>
>>
>>****************************************************************************
*
*
>>Paula Swinford, MS, CHES 213/740-WELL
>>Assistant Director 213/740-0214 fax
>>University Park Health Center swinford@mizar.usc.edu
>>University of Southern California
>>****************************************************************************
>
>
>Molly Laflin, Ph.D., Bowling Green State University
>419-372-0301 voice, 419-372-8012 fax
>
I couldn't agree more with Molly's definition! PC has become an excuse to
turn issues worthy of discussion into sacred cows, which we supposedly cannot
question. I have seen a major decline in undergraduate willingness to
discuss certain issues in my sexuality classes for fear of "offending."
Molly's example of date rape is extremely pertinent ... try getting males to
speak honestly in public about this issue ... they're tired of getting
hammered, so discussion is limited and sanitized and status quo reigns
supreme.PC may have started with the laudable idea of sensitizing individuals
to certain issues, but my feeling is that we've gone way past that point and
PC is stifling meaningful discourse ... to me that's the anathema of
education.
Robin Sawyer>
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#275
Date: Thu, 9 Mar 1995 09:00:58 -0500
From: mkelley@SELU.EDU
Subject: Re: A definition
In-Reply-To: <01HNWL15EC028ZEBVA@ALTAIR.SELU.EDU>
Good stuff, Molly!!! Preach on!!
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#276
Date: Thu, 9 Mar 1995 12:08:01 EST
From: "Robert H. Anderson (West Virginia University)"
Subject: Re: A definition
In-Reply-To: Message of 03/09/95 at 10:08:00 from
Robin_G_SAWYER@UMAIL.UMD.EDU
PC has gone beyond communications. I remember reading a statement from
a Tobacco Institute spokesperson--probably Brennan Dawson. The media always
go to them for the industry's response to a pro-health story, and this time
her response was, "Smoking is not politcally correct."
Bob Anderson, WVU
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#277
Date: Thu, 9 Mar 1995 16:03:47 +0000
From: "NAME \"Bonni Hodges, Ph.D\""
Subject: CHES Applicability
We here at SUNY Cortland have been having a rather interesting (OK - heated)
discussion as to the applicability of the CHES credential for our students.
This discussion evolved from a self-study we are currently completing. We
are taking alook at our programs to see how well they prepare our students
to take the CHES exam, and as a way to "evaluate" our program in some
systematic manner.
The Dept. of Health has two undergraduate majors: Health Education (School
Health) and Health Science. Health Science majors can choose one of
4 concentrations: Community Health Education, Environmental Health, Health
Administration and Planning, and Wellness & Health Promotion. Fewer than
50% of the Health Science majors formally declare a concentration.
The Department is in agreement that the Health Education program should
prepare the school health education pre-professionals in the
responsibilities and competencies. The discussion centers around the
Health Science program. There are 3 main positions:
A. All Health Science majors regardless of concentration
should be prepared to fulfil the responsibilities and competencies
B. Health Science majors with the exception of environmental
health, and health administration and planning concentrations should
be prepared to fulfill the respnsibilities and competencies
C. Only those majors with a Community Health Education
concentration need to be prepared to fulfill the responsibilities
and competencies
Those who support C argue that it "waters down" the credential if all
the other areas are required to be able to do health education. That it
is promoting what the credential was designed to stop.
Those who support A argue that anyone working in the health field will
have to do some sort of health education as part of their jobs.
Those who support B see exceptions to A and C.
What are your thoughts out there?
Bonni C. Hodges Ph.D
Assistant Professor - Health
SUNY Cortland
hodgesb@snycorva.cortland.edu
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#278
Date: Thu, 9 Mar 1995 15:30:04 PDT
From: Laura_Donahue@BROOKSCOLE.COM
Subject: Health Focus Group
Marianne Taflinger a health education editor at Brooks/Cole Publishing will be
hosting a focus group on Friday, March 31, 1995 at the AAPHERD. This
conference is being held at the Oregon Convention Center in Portland. To find
Marianne, you can find her at the Brooks/Cole booth. We would like 6
Health/Physical Education educators to participate. The focus group should
run
from 10:30a.m. - 11:30 a.m. The purpose of the focus group is to discuss
discipline trends, the Hales textbook INVITATION TO HEALTH, 7th Edition and
specific feedback of the course. The participants should teach Personal
Health
and be familiar with Hales or Insel:Mayfield. Please contact us to confirm if
you would be interested. Also tell us the book that you use and a little
about
yourself.
There will also be an alternate focus group on Saturday, April 1 at 1:30.
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#279
Date: Thu, 9 Mar 1995 16:07:36 EST
From: Mitchell Brodsky
Subject: Re: A definition
I really like what Molly has said about the complexities of being Politically
Correct. Does anyone have any examples of being both sensitive and
clear without being labelled a racist, sexist, etc.? How does
one successfully combine the two? How many of us are willing to
take that risk? Perhaps the security of tenure has something to
do with our ability to speak our conscience. Happy Spring
everyone.
Mitch Brodsky
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#280
Date: Thu, 9 Mar 1995 16:30:13 EST
From: Mitchell Brodsky
Subject: Re: A definition
Robin Sawyer mentioned how PC has literally prevented males in
her sexuality class from expressing themselves honestly about
"date rape." I concur. Men in my sexuality class have been
beaten down to a pulp and it has taken all my skill to keep males
involved in discussions. I find that my male students are trying
to liberate their thinking. With a little education, awareness,
and encouragement, they have learned to express themselves
adequately. But I must say that there seems to be an "open
season" on men directed by females who, no doubt, have good
reasons for their strong feelings. I feel as though I am rambling
. Any comments?
Mitch Brodsky
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#281
Date: Thu, 9 Mar 1995 20:16:24 -0500
From: "Michael J. Ludwig"
Subject: Political Correctness and Definitions
Bravo! The PC debate has come to Health Education. It is both important
and relevant for the many struggles we engage in. Thanks to all the
participants.
However, I thought the initial entry curious. Asking for definitions so
that we can "relay" them to graduate students! Hmmmm. Might it not have
been more productive to send them and ourselves (lest we forget we are
students as well) in search of materials and resources where
debate and discussion have been going on for some time and allow them to
"discover" what the debate is about, how it is relevant for our profession,
and what it means for the relationships among the academy and the many
publics we serve. Then, possibly holding colloquia to share the fruits of
our efforts.
Just a thought. You know, the teachable moment thing.
BTW, there is an excellent collection of articles in the Spring 1992
_Journal of Communication_.
______________________________________________________________________
Michael J. Ludwig |Home:
Work: |308 Park Avenue
Georgia Southern University |Statesboro, GA 30458
Landrum Box 8075 |(912) 764-4211
Statesboro, GA 30460-8075 |mjludwig@gsvms2.cc.gasou.edu
(912) 871-1552 (voice) |mjludwig@gsaix2.cc.gasou.edu
(912) 681-0721 (fax)
"Little things console us, because little things afflict us."
-Blaise Pascal
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#282
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 1995 08:21:15 -0500
From: "Sandra S. Bargainnier"
Subject: Re: CHES Applicability
In-Reply-To: <199503100139.UAA29686@mailbox.syr.edu>
Bonni,
As a Certified HEalth Education Specialist (CHES) I have been on both
sides of the credentialing debate. At first I thought it was unnecesary
for curriculum planning. Last year our department at Plymouth State
College
underwent the AAHE/SOPHE and NCATE accreditation process. I have changed
my mind.
The September/October 1993 Journal of HEalth Education provides several
articles addressing your problem. One point emphasized is
that School Health students already follow a credentialing process for
state certification. It is the public health/community health students
that have no credentialing mechanism that can be used to measure their
competence to practice (Alperin & Miner, 1993). As a result, many
community agencies/medical facilities hire nurses, pshychology grads,
sociology grads, and other allied health professionals for health positions.
Credentialing places health educators
(enviromental/community/administrators) on even ground with other
licensed health professionals. These other professionals may not have
the competence to carry
out health planning, implementation, evaluation, and administration.
I also believe that the 118 competencies outlined by the NCHEC are
relevant for all health specialist regardless of content area. The
competencies addresss the "process" of our profession, not the content.
This allows for flexibility in curriculum planning and coursework.
I don't think anyone would argue that all graduates of a health program
should have coursework in needs assessment, program planning, evaluation,
and theoretical foundations of health and behavior change. My experience
in the accreditation process helped me understand how these
courses are relevant to all graduates regardless of their
option/concentration.
Good Luck!
Sandy Bargainnier M.S. A.T.,C. CHES
(ssbargai@mailbox.syr.edu)
On Thu, 9 Mar 1995, NAME "Bonni Hodges, Ph.D" wrote:
> We here at SUNY Cortland have been having a rather interesting (OK - heated)
> discussion as to the applicability of the CHES credential for our students.
> This discussion evolved from a self-study we are currently completing. We
> are taking alook at our programs to see how well they prepare our students
> to take the CHES exam, and as a way to "evaluate" our program in some
> systematic manner.
>
> The Dept. of Health has two undergraduate majors: Health Education (School
> Health) and Health Science. Health Science majors can choose one of
> 4 concentrations: Community Health Education, Environmental Health, Health
> Administration and Planning, and Wellness & Health Promotion. Fewer than
> 50% of the Health Science majors formally declare a concentration.
>
> The Department is in agreement that the Health Education program should
> prepare the school health education pre-professionals in the
> responsibilities and competencies. The discussion centers around the
> Health Science program. There are 3 main positions:
> A. All Health Science majors regardless of concentration
> should be prepared to fulfil the responsibilities and competencies
> B. Health Science majors with the exception of environmental
> health, and health administration and planning concentrations should
> be prepared to fulfill the respnsibilities and competencies
> C. Only those majors with a Community Health Education
> concentration need to be prepared to fulfill the responsibilities
> and competencies
>
> Those who support C argue that it "waters down" the credential if all
> the other areas are required to be able to do health education. That it
> is promoting what the credential was designed to stop.
>
> Those who support A argue that anyone working in the health field will
> have to do some sort of health education as part of their jobs.
>
> Those who support B see exceptions to A and C.
>
> What are your thoughts out there?
>
> Bonni C. Hodges Ph.D
> Assistant Professor - Health
> SUNY Cortland
> hodgesb@snycorva.cortland.edu
>
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#283
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 1995 10:03:18 -0500
From: William Livingood
Subject: Re: CHES Applicability
My opinion is that CHES is for professional health educators and
requiring the competencies in total of people trained for other
professions would be inappropriate. I would assume that the other
professions should have other competencies that are generated nationally
or locally. Use of the competencies as a catch all for other professions may
also undermine health education's claim to a specific identity which is a
major
purpose of credentialing. On the other hand, use of the roles and
competencies as a guide to develop roles and competencies for other
professions may be appropriate.
Bill Livingood
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#284
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 1995 09:17:25 +0000
From: "NAME \"Bonni Hodges, Ph.D\""
Subject: Re: A definition
I am currently teaching a course titled "Health Problems of the
Underserved". As many can imagine I am constantly walking a fine
line with this PC stuff. However, I have found a teaching technique
that works very well in stimulating discussion.
I hand out index cards to all in class. I then ask then to respond to
a question or comment, including a short explanation of their position
or response. No names or other identifiers should be on the card. THe
cards are then redistributed randomly. Students read the comments on
the card they have received. The comments are then read aloud to the
class by each student, who must then comment/respond to what is on the
card.
I have found (through informal and more formal assessment of this technique)
that the students feel much less threatened responding to someone else's
comments than just throwing their thoughts into the "fray". Those
students who might not have "PC" viewpoints aften here or read that
(bad typos, sorry!) other have similar thoughts and positions, and thus
feel more comfortable in joining the general discussion that follows.
This techniques also allows those students who do not generally join
discussion to at lead be "heard". There are some ground rules:
1. before the general discussion all cards get read, and
individual responses are given
2. students have the option to "pass" on giving their own
comments, but must read what is on the card they have received.
It is explained that they can "pass" for any reason, but specifically
if most of what they would want to say has been already brought up.
I find, however, that many students give their thoughts even though
they may be repeating a position taken earlier.
I often follow this up with some type of reflective writing exercise.
This technique was adapted from an educator named Parker Palmer.
-Bonni Hodges
SUNY Cortland
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#285
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 1995 10:19:37 -0600
From: Jim Robinson
Subject: Re: CHES Applicability
Bonni, the discussions your faculty are having regarding the CHES
credentialing of your students. I believe the answer to your debate lies in
your own self-study process. Without seeing your curricula, but having
worked in a department with a similar structure, I can't see that your
Environmental Health or Health Administration students would be prepared to
take the CHES examination. While I
agree with Sandra's comment regarding the examination focusing on "process",
I would question whether the students in these two programs are exposed to
program planning, program evaluation, health behavior/psychology, use of
media, mobilizing community groups, etc. The exam was designed to assess
those skills used specifically by health educators. If your curricula in
the two disciplines prepare the students for health education, I can't
imagine the students being prepared for their respective professions.
Agreeably, they may have to do "some health education", but it would be
information sharing, not program planning. My pharmacist may do "some
health education", but she is not likely to become credentialed - nor should
she with out the appropriate training.
A reply to Bonni Hodges -
>We here at SUNY Cortland have been having a rather interesting (OK - heated)
>discussion as to the applicability of the CHES credential for our students.
>This discussion evolved from a self-study we are currently completing. We
>are taking alook at our programs to see how well they prepare our students
>to take the CHES exam, and as a way to "evaluate" our program in some
>systematic manner.
>
>The Dept. of Health has two undergraduate majors: Health Education (School
>Health) and Health Science. Health Science majors can choose one of
>4 concentrations: Community Health Education, Environmental Health, Health
>Administration and Planning, and Wellness & Health Promotion. Fewer than
>50% of the Health Science majors formally declare a concentration.
>
>The Department is in agreement that the Health Education program should
>prepare the school health education pre-professionals in the
>responsibilities and competencies. The discussion centers around the
>Health Science program. There are 3 main positions:
> A. All Health Science majors regardless of concentration
>should be prepared to fulfil the responsibilities and competencies
> B. Health Science majors with the exception of environmental
>health, and health administration and planning concentrations should
>be prepared to fulfill the respnsibilities and competencies
> C. Only those majors with a Community Health Education
>concentration need to be prepared to fulfill the responsibilities
>and competencies
>
>Those who support C argue that it "waters down" the credential if all
>the other areas are required to be able to do health education. That it
>is promoting what the credential was designed to stop.
>
>Those who support A argue that anyone working in the health field will
>have to do some sort of health education as part of their jobs.
>
>Those who support B see exceptions to A and C.
>
>What are your thoughts out there?
>
>Bonni C. Hodges Ph.D
>Assistant Professor - Health
>SUNY Cortland
>hodgesb@snycorva.cortland.edu
>
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#286
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 1995 09:07:54 -0800
From: "Andrew Jenkins (Central Washington University)"
Subject: Re: A definition
In-Reply-To: <01HNWT7YSMO2000QJV@AURORA.CWU.EDU>
Thanks again to the "Master" for nailing an issue precisely and tactfully.
A few of us have been discussing the issue BC and have come to the
conclusion that often the search for non-offensive terms or phrases may in
fact, quell critical thinking in students and scholars (sometimes there's
a difference:)). The key point Dr. Green has made is seperating offense
for harm. It seems to me that inherent in the learning process is a certain
degree of discomfort, emotion, and risk.
I hope we're not heading into a
"no risk" era of education. I'm concerened that the trend toward
playing it safe will polarize peoples of different colors, cultures, and
lifestyles since no one will want to risk asking questions of one another
for fear of appearing "ignorant" which is so often equated with the plethora
of "isms" and "ist" titles hung on people.
Did any one e