#783 Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 07:52:53 -0500 From: "Steve G. Gabany"Subject: Re: American Airlines Petition - -Reply man, i'll tell ya. i think if you folks want to put your name on a petition, you ought to just go on and do it. but, i for one don't appreciate having to wade through some 30 messages just to find out that one or the other of you is number 63 or 44 or whatever. there is, occasionally, some really valuable community/public health stuff that comes out over this list. then, for reasons that sure aren't clear to me, we get a deal like this and it seems like bunches of people go brain dead! *************************** Steve G. Gabany, Ph.D. Indiana State University Dept of Health & Safety 812/237-3108 HPRGABY@SCIFAC.INDSTATE.EDU *************************** ------------------------------ #783 Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 08:26:32 -0400 From: BENSLEY@WMICH.EDU Subject: Position announcement Please post the following job announcement. In particular, we are lookign for someone who can coordinate the undergraduate exercise science program. This individual also should have a health education background (including worksite health promotion) to assist in the community health education program. Job Announcement The Department of Health, Physical Education and Recreation (HPER) at Western Michigan University invites applications for the position of Assistant Professor of HPER-Exercise Science/Wellness Specialist. Starting date for this position will be Fall Semester, 1997. Qualifications: Earned doctorate in exercise science or related field with emphasis in worksite welnness or community health. Work experience in commercial/corporate or cardiac rehabilitation settings preferred. Experience supervising undergraduate students in applied settings is desirable. Evidence of research and interest in grant writing. Duties: Competency in the instruction of professional preparation courses in exercise science, adult fitness programming and administration, worksite wellness and community health education. Supervision of undergraduate students in applied settings, such as corporate fitness, commercial fitness and cardiac rehabilitation. Pursuit of research and grants related to exercise science and wellness. Serve on committees. Appointment: Tenure track. Application materials must include: Letter of application, current vita, academic transcripts and three letters of reference. Letters of reference must be mailed directly to the chair of the HPER Department. Academic records should originate from the granting university and be sent to the chair of the HPER Department. Submit all materials to: Chair, Department of HPER Search Committee Department of HPER Western Michigan University 4021 Student Recreation Center Kalamazoo, Michigan 49008 Applications will be accepted ubtil July 1, 1997. Western Michigan University is a large, comprehensive university with a Carnegie Doctoral I classification, and is an Affirmative Action/Equal Opportunity Employer that encourages qualified women and members of minority groups to apply. The Department of Health, Physical Education and Recreation offers five undergraduate major degrees (School Health Education, Community Health Education, Exercsie Science, Physical Education, and Recreation), eight undergraduate minor programs and six emphasis areas at the master's (physical education) level. ............................................................... ............................................................... Robert J. Bensley, Ph.D. (616) 387-3081 Assistant Professor fax (616) 387-2704 Department of HPER bensley@wmich.edu Western Michigan University Kalamazoo, MI 49008 ............................................................... ............................................................... ------------------------------ #784 Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 10:14:05 -0500 From: "Mark J. Kittleson, Ph.D." Subject: A tutorial For those of you that would like a series of tutorials on how to use an e-mail system, they are available on the following web page: http://ws221136.educ.siu.edu/course/kittle.html I've created them with visual demonstrations. Some are still in their developmental stages, but I believe the information is accurate...I'm trying to improve the visuals. You will note that there are four specific tutorials: how to use nicknames, how to use mailboxes, how to use an attachment, and how to use the reply and forward button. The last one may be of interest to those of you on the HEDIR. Granted, the examples use the Eudora mailing sytem, but I believe the information is transferrable to whatever system you are using. __________________________ Mark J. Kittleson, Ph.D. Owner and Founder, HEDIR Home Page: http://www.siu.edu/~kittle E-Mail Home Page: http://www.siu.edu/~kittle/HEDIR/Menu.html ------------------------------ #785 Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 11:19:34 -0400 From: "Judith D. Pierce" Subject: Re: American Airlines Petition - -Reply Obviously your priorities are somewhat different than many of us on the list. Judith Dwyer Pierce University of Vermont 533 Waterman Burlington, VT 05405 651-1869, 656-3356 http://www.uvm.edu/~jdpierce@zoo.uvm.edu On Thu, 1 May 1997, Steve G. Gabany wrote: > man, i'll tell ya. i think if you folks want to put your name on a > petition, you ought to just go on and do it. but, i for one don't > appreciate having to wade through some 30 messages just to find out > that one or the other of you is number 63 or 44 or whatever. > > there is, occasionally, some really valuable community/public health > stuff that comes out over this list. then, for reasons that sure > aren't clear to me, we get a deal like this and it seems like bunches > of people go brain dead! > > > *************************** > Steve G. Gabany, Ph.D. > Indiana State University > Dept of Health & Safety > 812/237-3108 > HPRGABY@SCIFAC.INDSTATE.EDU > *************************** > ------------------------------ #786 Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 12:03:12 EDT From: "Richard A. Fee, Ph.D., Chair, HPES Department" Subject: Re: American Airlines Petition - -Reply Director, Psychophysiology Research Laboratory Associate in Psychiatry & Behavioral Medicine, Medical School Please keep any messages on this listserve colleagial, professional, and to the purpose this listserve is dedicated to. I enjoy reading items related to our healtheducation professsional interests. I, for one, do not enjoy non-colleagial personal comments. Thanks :-) Regards, Dick rafee001@ulkyvmm.louisville.edu VOX 502-852-6645 FAX 852-4534 "Tap, Tap, Tap, is this thing on?" ------------------------------ #787 Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 10:13:33 -0600 From: Susan Goekler Subject: Re: : health education lesson plans and the Internet (fwd ------ =_NextPart_000_01BC5618.72DE33E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable A source for health education lessons, as well as a system for = screening, is Pan-Educational Institute in Independence, MO. They = service the Kansas City area school districts. They began a bulletin = board probably 10 years ago, with health lessons for teachers. They = have established a Blue Ribbon panel to which lessons are submitted for = review. Once accepted, they then put lessons into a standard format. = The lessons are available electronically to subscribers. For more = information, contact Joan Williams at 816-461-0201. Susan Wooley Society of State Directors of Health, Physical Education, and Recreation = (SSDHPER) Reston, VA=20 703-476-3403 sgoekler@webusa.net -----Original Message----- From: Sandra S. Bargainnier [SMTP:ssbargai@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU] Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 1997 11:27 AM To: HEDIR-L Subject: : health education lesson plans and the Internet (fwd The follwoing message was sent to me and I am forwarding it on to interested parties. "Gateway to Education Materials" is an off-shoot of AskERIC (this is a Q & A digital library geared towards teachers...part of the ERIC Clearinghouse). It is based at Syracuse University. GAM is being = developed to help consolidate lesson plans/curricular information (on the INternet) for teachers. I have been asked to help with the health and PE categories I already sent information about both areas, but thought I would provide those of you in K-12 curriculum development the opportunity to throw in your 2 cents. This will be a great service to health teachers. CUrrently I have not been able to find a whole lot out there (on the INternet) for K-12 health (as far as resource sharing/lesson plans etc). Even AskERIC has very little and most of their information falls under science. I am trying to help them get up to = speed in our field. PLease send any input to me-Sandy Bargainnier ssbargai@mailbox.syr.edu Thank you! ************************************************************************ *= **** "The only thing worth having in an earthly existence is a sense of = humor" -Lincoln Steffens- Sandra Bargainnier Ed.D. CHES Phone: 315/341-2879 Assistant Professor Health Science/PE Fax: 315/341-2766/6397 206 Laker Hall E-mail: ssbargai@mailbox.syr.edu SUNY Oswego E-mail: bargainn@oswego.edu Oswego, NY 13126 ************************************************************************ *= ***** ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 14:44:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Nancy Morgan To: ssbargai@mailbox.syr.edu Subject: Phys Ed. & HEalth subjects Hi Sandy, The goal of GEM is to make the uncataloged lesson plans and curriculum units that are currently on the Internet easily accessible. Among other things, this will involve assigning mandatory subject categories to each of the lessons. The subject categories are a controlled vocabulary. The URL for the GEM Project is: http://ericir.syr.edu/~ilp The URL for the latest version of the Subject Elements: http://ericir.syr.edu/~ilp/New/subject1.html A task force of stakeholders worked several weeks on the subcategories, but we still need some help. Could you take a few minutes and give us some recommendations for the physical education and health subject categories, based on how a K12 teacher may access the collection? Physical Education ------------------ Movement Skills and Movement Knowledge Self-Image and Personal Development Social Development Health ------ Personal Health Consumer and Community Health Injury Prevention and Safety Alcohol, Tobacco, and Other Drugs Nutrition Environmental Health Family Living Individual Growth and Development Communicable and Chronic Diseases FYI - I've appended the message that I sent to the GEM listserv. Thanks so much - please let me know if this is an imposition, and I'll = ask someone else. But would greatly appreciate it if you could look this = over and advise. Thanks, Nancy Nancy A. Morgan, GEM Coordinator nmorgan@ericir.syr.edu Gateway to Educational Materials ERIC Clearinghouse on Information & Technology 4-194 Center for Science & Technology Syracuse University, Syracuse, N.Y. 13244-4100 (315) 443-3640 FAX (315) 443-5448 http://ericir.syr.edu/~ilp/ ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 16:23:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Nancy Morgan To: ilp@listserv.syr.edu Subject: GEM WWW: New Developments Greetings: There is a new directory on the GEM WWW called "New Developments/Work in Progress", where I've placed the latest version of the Subject Elements. http://ericir.syr.edu/~ilp/New/index.html There are a few more subjects that may need further development under Level 2 (subcategory) before we can start applying them to lessons: The Arts: Art Connections Dance Music Theater Visual Arts Educational Technology Intergrating Technology Curriculum Materials Staff Inservice Lesson Plans Technology Planning Materials Foreign Language: Communication Cultures Knowledge Connections Language Comparisons Multilingual Communities Language Arts: Writing Reading Listening and Speaking English Language Literature Physical Education Movement Skills and Movement Knowledge Self-Image and Personal Development Social Development I believe that we are in good shape with the rest of the subjects (remember that these are not set in stone - that there will be additions and adjustments as we go through Phase 1 and beyond.) Please feel free to get the discussion rolling! We're interested in selecting subjects based on how teachers look for educational materials. Thanks, Nancy Nancy A. Morgan, GEM Coordinator nmorgan@ericir.syr.edu Gateway to Educational Materials ERIC Clearinghouse on Information & Technology 4-194 Center for Science & Technology Syracuse University, Syracuse, N.Y. 13244-4100 (315) 443-3640 FAX (315) 443-5448 http://ericir.syr.edu/~ilp/ ------------------------------ #788 Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 11:26:36 +0900 From: Lisa Reisberg Subject: Re: HED PRODUCT SPONSOR WANTED Have you tried the EPA? >LOOKING FOR A SPONSOR FOR A LEAD POISONING PREVENTION EDUCATION CARD GAME FOR >PARENTS. TESTED IN INNER CITY SETTING. INCLUDES DECK OF CARDS AND BOOKLET. =========================================== Lisa Reisberg, Director Division of Public Education American Academy of Pediatrics 141 Northwest Pt Blvd Elk Grove Village, IL 60007 Phone: 847/981-7873 FAX: 847/228-7320 ------------------------------ #789 Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 13:32:12 -0400 From: "Judith D. Pierce" Subject: Re: American Airlines Petition - -Reply BRAVO! Judith Dwyer Pierce University of Vermont 533 Waterman Burlington, VT 05405 651-1869, 656-3356 http://www.uvm.edu/~jdpierce@zoo.uvm.edu On Thu, 1 May 1997, Richard A. Fee, Ph.D., Chair, HPES Department wrote: > Director, Psychophysiology Research Laboratory > Associate in Psychiatry & Behavioral Medicine, Medical School > Please keep any messages on this listserve colleagial, professional, and to the > purpose this listserve is dedicated to. > I enjoy reading items related to our healtheducation professsional interests. > I, for one, do not enjoy non-colleagial personal comments. Thanks :-) > > Regards, Dick > rafee001@ulkyvmm.louisville.edu VOX 502-852-6645 FAX 852-4534 > "Tap, Tap, Tap, is this thing on?" > ------------------------------ #790 Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 14:01:00 EST From: "Jones, Robin Courtney" Subject: provider outreach Good afternoon-- Has anybody had any success stories (or lessons learned) regarding working with providers, i.e. physicians, managed care policy-makers, clinic-workers, etc. to get them to adopt certain practices? Specifically, I would like to convince providers to do lead screening according to what could be fairly detailed state and local regulations. Are there any methods, materials, forums, or opinion leaders that anyone would recommend or warn against using? If there are any physicians out there, what would convince you to adopt a clinical practice such as lead screening? Thanks, Courtney Jones, MPH rdj6@cdc.gov ------------------------------ #791 Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 14:19:27 -0400 From: BENSLEY@WMICH.EDU Subject: Internet and Listserv Sites I am in the process of compiling a list of great health education internet and listserv sites. In partiulcar, I am looking for internet sites that foucs on community health methods and processes, and individual health behavior change. I also am looking for pertinent listservs that focus on health-related issues. If you have any excellent sites, please reply directly to bensley@wmich.edu. Once I have gathered all of the responses, I will compile a list for the hedir for thsoe who are interested. Thank you Bob ............................................................... ............................................................... Robert J. Bensley, Ph.D. (616) 387-3081 Assistant Professor fax (616) 387-2704 Department of HPER bensley@wmich.edu Western Michigan University Kalamazoo, MI 49008 ............................................................... ............................................................... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 13:34:36 CST From: Deb Grundmanis Subject: Re: HED PRODUCT SPONSOR WANTED Hello! I would be interested in getting more info about this. Is this product developed? Are you looking to sell directly to lead programs? How much is it? Is it available for preview? You may want to get a list of lead programs and contacts from the National Conference of State Legislatures in Denver, Colorado. In general, major sources of public funding for lead include the HUD Office of Lead Poisoning Prevention, and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Other interested parties may be U.S. EPA, Cities, States, the National Lead Abatement Council and their magazine, "Deleading", Neighborhoods, United Parents against Lead in Chicago and nationwide, and private funders. Also try "Lead-Safe Columbus," a collaboration of health and housing providers in Columbus, Ohio reaching out to parents through neighborhood groups. You may want to invest in attending a lead conference, for further information. > >>LOOKING FOR A SPONSOR FOR A LEAD POISONING PREVENTION EDUCATION CARD GAME FOR >>PARENTS. TESTED IN INNER CITY SETTING. INCLUDES DECK OF CARDS AND BOOKLET. > >=========================================== >Lisa Reisberg, Director >Division of Public Education >American Academy of Pediatrics >141 Northwest Pt Blvd >Elk Grove Village, IL 60007 > >Phone: 847/981-7873 >FAX: 847/228-7320 > Deborah Recksiedler Grundmanis, MBA, Health Educator Minnesota Department of Health, Indoor Air and Lead Programs Telephone: 612 215 0882 Telefax: 612 215 0975 Internet: deb.grundmanis@health.state.mn.us ************************************************* ------------------------------ #792 Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 17:21:27 -0400 From: Tamara Lou Gallant Subject: Re: American Airlines Petition -Reactions Dick (and others), it isn't clear what you objected to about the AA Petition messages. I just can't remain silent. The original American Airlines Petition WAS pertinent to the purpose of this listserv: awareness of issues that influence health education and behavior. Erroneous postings in an attempt to sign the petition were not useful to the list (but do demonstrate interest in the topic among listserv participants). The most important point is the importance of learning to reply appropriately. Mark's informational reference to his web site was a much more helpful response than were complaints--especially those posted to the whole list rather than to individuals. (I applaud Mark's example of good leadership.) I continue to vote for the freedom to delete messages that others find irrelevant (or impertinent). Tamara Gallant UMass Health Services On Thu, 1 May 1997, Judith D. Pierce wrote: > BRAVO! > > Judith Dwyer Pierce > University of Vermont > 533 Waterman > Burlington, VT 05405 > 651-1869, 656-3356 > http://www.uvm.edu/~jdpierce@zoo.uvm.edu > > > On Thu, 1 May 1997, Richard A. Fee, Ph.D., Chair, HPES Department wrote: > > > Director, Psychophysiology Research Laboratory > > Associate in Psychiatry & Behavioral Medicine, Medical School > > Please keep any messages on this listserve colleagial, professional, and to the > > purpose this listserve is dedicated to. > > I enjoy reading items related to our healtheducation professsional interests. > > I, for one, do not enjoy non-colleagial personal comments. Thanks :-) > > > > Regards, Dick > > rafee001@ulkyvmm.louisville.edu VOX 502-852-6645 FAX 852-4534 > > "Tap, Tap, Tap, is this thing on?" > > > ------------------------------ #793 Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 05:16:02 -0500 From: "Mark J. Kittleson, Ph.D." Subject: Bob Bensley's Request Yesterday Bob Bensley requested a list of URLs. Jones and Bartlett has recently published a text entitled "Web Sites for Health Professionals". For $11.95 it lists over 500 health related URLs, along with brief describers of each item. All state health departments, departments of education, and health-related government agencies that have home pages are listed. In addition, it lists URLs in a variety of areas. For more information regarding this text, one can go to: http://ws221136.educ.siu.edu/websites/ __________________________ Mark J. Kittleson, Ph.D. Owner and Founder, HEDIR Home Page: http://www.siu.edu/~kittle E-Mail Home Page: http://www.siu.edu/~kittle/HEDIR/Menu.html ------------------------------ #794 Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 08:47:39 -0500 From: Patricia Houston Subject: preventive health messages I am currently writing preventive health messages for people to listen to when they are put on hold on the telephone. If anyone knows of any previously developed messages, could you please let me know. Thanks! Patricia Houston phouston%ConncetiCare@mcimail.com ------------------------------ #795 Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 07:47:21 -0700 From: "Stelling, Frank" Subject: In-Patient Education and Diversity I was asked by one of the nurses in our organization if there was anything developed on cultural/religious diversigy related to nursing care and in-patient education. If you know or have any information about this issue, could you email (judy.rasoumoff@kp.org), phone (808-834-9632) or FAX (808-834-9698) her. Mail would be addressed to Judy Rasoumoff at Kaiser Permanente, 3288 Moanalua Road, Hon, Hi. 96819 Thanks for your help. Frank Stelling Director of Member Education Kaiser Permanente Dallas, Texas ------------------------------ #796 Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 12:36:00 -0400 From: Mdol13@AOL.COM Subject: exercise tools To whom it may concern, I am a graduated student at Fairfield University working on my thesis. The topic is factors that motivate individuals to continue to EXERCISE for a period greater than six months. If anyone has a tool or knows of a tool that can measure MOTIVATION of people who exercise please contact me at MDOL13. Thanks, SJR ------------------------------ #797 Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 16:33:44 -0400 From: RESCOTT@GEMINI.MCO.EDU Subject: Re: contraceptive teaching aids I have looked through all of the catalogs in my office but can't find a teaching kit for contraception. I can find handouts, posters, etc. but not a kit where folks can actually handle the devices. Anyone know of a source? Thanks in advance! Rebecca Scott ------------------------------ #798 Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 19:22:32 -0600 From: unchl@TTACS.TTU.EDU Subject: Evaluating Teaching of Coaches Dear List Members: If you choose to respond, please remember to do so to me directly at: UNCHL@TTACS.TTU.EDU This issue is directed at those departments in higher education that have on their teaching staff coaches whose primary concern might be athletics, but are also assigned at least one class per semester to teach. Please delete immediately if this does not interest or pertain to you. I am requesting information you might have [or practices that might be in place at your institutions] regarding the issues below. Any information provided will certainly be kept in strictest confidence. I am especially interested in department chairs who might have experience with this situation. Questions: (1) How are coaches who teach in various HPE departments evaluated, compensated, retained, or released? (2) How does your department "handle problem" individuals who do not take their teaching seriously [but who may be outstanding coaches]? (3) Are any of these individuals on tenure-track? Please explain briefly. (4) What are the courses these individuals teach in your department? (5) Does your department have a written policy on these issues? If so, would you share any or all of it with me? Thank you in advance. Pete LeRoy unchl@ttacs.ttu.edu 806-742-2940 - office 806-788-0770 - home ------------------------------ #799 Date: Sat, 3 May 1997 07:57:24 -0500 From: "Mark J. Kittleson, Ph.D." Subject: a test This is a test run. I'm reconfiguring some of the systems on the HEDIR and I'm testing to see if this goes through. Just delete. Thanks. __________________________ Mark J. Kittleson, Ph.D. Owner and Founder, HEDIR Home Page: http://www.siu.edu/~kittle E-Mail Home Page: http://www.siu.edu/~kittle/HEDIR/Menu.html ------------------------------ #800 Date: Sat, 3 May 1997 17:38:16 -0500 From: "Mark J. Kittleson, Ph.D." Subject: replying problem I am terribly sorry if this is a repeat. I'm having trouble sending it and I'm afraid you will receive a bunch of these. A couple of days ago a person sent a memo regarding American Airlines efforts to prevent discrimination. A hearty effort by AA and one that HEDIR subscribers are most interested in. The orignal sender indicated that one should FORWARD this memo to the web master at American Airlines. What resulted was that many people hit reply, which sent it back on the HEDIR. Resending it back on the HEDIR did not help the cause...one was to forward it to American Airlines. This is the latest example of the misuse of the "reply" button. It is frustrating to read such memos, but I understand the mistake. I've inadvertently hit reply...many of you have also. I believe I have found a way to prevent inadvertent replies back to the HEDIR. If I am correct, the header should say that the Reply-To: is my address (kittle@siu.edu), whereas the Sender says its from HEDIR-L. Whereas the problem before was when we hit reply it went to the HEDIR list. I have configured it so that now if you were to hit reply, it will go to whoever actually sent the memo. This should prevent people from accidentally replying to the hedir when they want to send a private memo to the person who sent the HEDIR message. I recognize that in many times it is important to reply to a hedir memo back to the actual hedir. In order to do this in the future, you can hit "reply" and then erase the name of the person on the "TO" line and replace it with HEDIR-L@SIU.EDU I hope this makes it easier and less frustrating for us in the future. __________________________ Mark J. Kittleson, Ph.D. Owner and Founder, HEDIR Home Page: http://www.siu.edu/~kittle E-Mail Home Page: http://www.siu.edu/~kittle/HEDIR/Menu.html ------------------------------ #801 Date: Sun, 4 May 1997 22:07:22 -0800 From: Emilie Sparks Subject: Re: provider outreach Dear Courtney, Over the last several years I've come accross a number of things that seem to be effective in getting providers to make changes in practice. The physician experts and subject related physician leadership support of the guideline is very important. These people are the early adopters and should not be unknown to the body of physicians that will need to make the change. Opinion leader physicians who've been consulted on the guideline in a meaningful way before it is finalized help to implement it. Time spent in getting support for the guideline at this stage is well worth the effort. Once a guideline has been developed and agreed on it should be communicated in a variety of different ways and mediums -- such as mailed to every physician from the guideline development team and verbally communicated by guidelines champions, physician champions and department administrators. Tools for implementation, like health education materials are developed by the guidelines team with the help of Health Education. This is part of my job. These are some suggestions: Do anything you can: * to make the change technical.... such as requiring the use of specific educational tools or reporting. * have the guideline promoted to physicians through personal contact with trusted collegues who would explain the change and take some of the perceived risk out of trying something new. * reach providers through the patients. Physicians care very much about patient satisfaction and respond to patient requests. They want to be knowledgeable about what patients are asking them. Let physicians know about your efforts to inform the public before you do it. * give away free gifts or incentives to encourage physician adoption. Things that will get the message out into the physicians environment at the same time....tablets, magnets, books, posters, food at symposiums, by personal contact, through the mail. Notice that the big pharmacertical companies use this tactic. They deliver free stuff that the physicians can use and in turn the Pharm. Co's are building the physicians good will and product awareness. * focus test your implementation strategies. Think of these more as implementation developement strategy teams. These focus tests can be designed to get info. on how to integrate the change but their other function, if they are planned right, is to make implementation partners of the early adopter physicians. The early adopters who will bring in the early majority. Emilie Sparks, MS, CHES At 2:01 PM -0500 5/1/97, Jones, Robin Courtney wrote: >Good afternoon-- > >Has anybody had any success stories (or lessons learned) regarding working >with providers, i.e. physicians, managed care policy-makers, clinic-workers, >etc. to get them to adopt certain practices? Specifically, I would like to >convince providers to do lead screening according to what could be fairly >detailed state and local regulations. Are there any methods, materials, >forums, or opinion leaders that anyone would recommend or warn against >using? If there are any physicians out there, what would convince you to >adopt a clinical practice such as lead screening? > >Thanks, > >Courtney Jones, MPH >rdj6@cdc.gov ------------------------------ #802 Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 10:20:38 -0400 From: MBENTLEY Subject: Re: Evaluating Teaching of Coaches dir ------------------------------ #803 Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 07:47:07 -0800 From: Emilie Sparks Subject: Re: replying problem Dear Mark, I love this listserve. I've never replied-to-all before because I was new and was waiting for an opportunity to share in an area I felt I had something important to offer. I just wanted to let you know that I haven't gotten any listserve mail since this memo went out on 5/3. My subject of expertise came up and I sent a response yesterday to the patient education question to "Jones, Robin Courtney" , HEDIR-L@siu.edu, from a query she sent on 5/1. With this new system of responding only to the originator of the message. My problem: I fear I'm missing out on any exchanges that might be written on the topic because they would all be filtering through that one person, and unless she forms her own little list and forwards to everyone who has replied to her I will not be a party to the dialogue. Your right in making a technical change to improve a problem of the American Airlines replies. The right technical change can make behaviorial change a cinch but in this case I'm sad that the change may be causing me to miss what I like most about this listserve. For me the baby may be going out with the bath water. Emilie Sparks, MS, CHES At 5:38 PM -0500 5/3/97, Mark J. Kittleson, Ph.D. wrote: >I am terribly sorry if this is a repeat. I'm having trouble sending it and >I'm afraid you will receive a bunch of these. > >A couple of days ago a person sent a memo regarding American Airlines >efforts to prevent discrimination. A hearty effort by AA and one that HEDIR >subscribers are most interested in. The orignal sender indicated that one >should FORWARD this memo to the web master at American Airlines. What >resulted was that many people hit reply, which sent it back on the HEDIR. >Resending it back on the HEDIR did not help the cause...one was to forward >it to American Airlines. > >This is the latest example of the misuse of the "reply" button. It is >frustrating to read such memos, but I understand the mistake. I've >inadvertently hit reply...many of you have also. I believe I have found a >way to prevent inadvertent replies back to the HEDIR. > >If I am correct, the header should say that the Reply-To: is my address >(kittle@siu.edu), whereas the Sender says its from HEDIR-L. > >Whereas the problem before was when we hit reply it went to the HEDIR list. >I have configured it so that now if you were to hit reply, it will go to >whoever actually sent the memo. This should prevent people from accidentally >replying to the hedir when they want to send a private memo to the person >who sent the HEDIR message. > >I recognize that in many times it is important to reply to a hedir memo back >to the actual hedir. In order to do this in the future, you can hit "reply" >and then erase the name of the person on the "TO" line and replace it with >HEDIR-L@SIU.EDU > >I hope this makes it easier and less frustrating for us in the future. >__________________________ >Mark J. Kittleson, Ph.D. >Owner and Founder, HEDIR >Home Page: http://www.siu.edu/~kittle >E-Mail Home Page: http://www.siu.edu/~kittle/HEDIR/Menu.html ------------------------------ #804 Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 08:47:41 -0700 From: Norm Constantine Subject: Re: replying problem Emilie Sparks wrote: > ... With this new system of responding only to the originator of the message. > My problem: I fear I'm missing out on any exchanges that might be written > on the topic because they would all be filtering through that one person, > and unless she forms her own little list and forwards to everyone who has > replied to her I will not be a party to the dialogue. ... For me the baby may be > going out with the bath water. I agree with Emilie. While it is annoying to get messages through the list that were intended for only one person, this solution will fundamentally change the nature of the list. I think it would work better to leave the list as it was and continue to work to educate people about the proper use of the reply button. Norm -- Norm Constantine, Ph.D. Director, School and Community Health Research WestEd, San Francisco Phone: (510)284-8118 FAX: (510)284-8107 Email: norm_c@ix.netcom.com -or- nconsta@wested.org WestEd Home Page: http://www.wested.org ------------------------------ #805 Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 09:16:44 -0700 From: Andrew Jenkins Subject: Friday Inspiration Friends and Fellows, This week's FI comes from Nelson Mandela's 1995 Inaugural Speech: It's lengthy but how could I abbreviate any of it? "Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness, that most frightens us. We ask ourselves, "Who am I to be brilliant, gorgeous, talented, and fabulous?" Actually, who are you NOT to be? You are a child of God. Your playing small doesn't serve the world. There's nothing enlightened about shrinking so that other people won't feel insecure around you. We were born to make manifest the glory of God that is within us. It's not just in some of us, it is in everyone. And as we let our own light shine, we unconsciously give other people permission to do the same. As we are liberated from our own fear, our presence automatically liberates others." Still holding that Dream. Andy J :{) +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++ ++++++++ "It is difficult to say what is impossible, for the dream of yesterday is the hope of today and the reality of tomorrow." Robert Goddard Andrew P. Jenkins, PhD, CHES Health Education Programs Central Washington University Ellensburg, WA 98926 509-963-1041 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++ +++++++++ ------------------------------ #806 Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 12:58:00 EST From: "Cohen, Lisa" Subject: Injury and Violence Prevention Curricula The American School Health Association's Injury Prevention Task Force is developing a framework that will include recommendations for improving the teaching of injury prevention in schools. Does anyone have information on the following: 1. Any and all existing curricula on injury and/ or violence prevention used within schools pre-K - 12 including title, publisher, grade levels, year, etc. (We already have information on the following: (Adopt a School; Oklahoma elementary school safety curriculum; HeadSmart; Teenage Health Teaching Modules;PACE; Think First; Safety Advice From EMS; Safe and Smart; Learn Not to Burn; Follow the Footsteps to Fire Safety; Smokey Bear learning kit about fire safety; Safe work/Safe workers; Playground perspectives; New Mexico poison prevention guide for preschoolers; Hawaii's Kids in sports: Let 'em play; Wary Walker; CROSS; NAEYC's Walk in Traffic Safely; Safe Kids on the Move; NSC preschool pedestrian safety program; Oklahoma's Breaking Away; Portland Kids On the Move; In Touch with Teens; A guide to curriculum planning in suicide prevention; STAR; Taking Action to Prevent Adolescent Violence; Preventing Teen Dating Violence; Relationships without Violence; New Mexico Firearm injury prevention curriculum; and Aggressors, victims, and bystanders. ) 2. Information on any evaluations of school-based injury and violence prevention curricula, including citations of published articles. Thanks. Your assistance is appreciated, particularly if it arrives before May 16th. Please send responses directly to me, not to the list at large. If there is interest from the list, I can post the entire listing, when complete. ************************************************************************ **** ******* Lisa Cohen, DrPH Injury and Violence Prevention Specialist CDC Division of Adolescent and School Health email: LIC8@cdc.gov fax: (770) 488-5665 phone: (770) 488-5799 ************************************************************************ **** ********* ------------------------------ #807 Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 14:06:36 -0400 From: Carolyn Parks Subject: Paulo Freire passes away (fwd) The passing of a living legend! ----------------------------------------------- Carolyn P. Parks, Ph.D. UNC School of Public Health Health Behavior and Health Education 315 Rosenau Hall - CB# 7400 Chapel Hill, NC 27599-7400 (919)966-0246 (M & Th) - carol_parks@unc.edu 966-2921 (fax) (919)856-2700 (T,W,Fr) - serchdc@ns.nc.ndl.net 856-6575 (fax) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sun, 04 May 1997 04:19:28 -0600 From: Howard Ehrman Paulo Freire, the Brazilian educator and author of PEDAGOGY OF THE OPPRESSED among other works, passed away on Thursday, May 1, 1997 (May Day) at the age of 75. Viva Paulo! Howard Ehrman, MD, MPH Associate Professor University of Illinois at Chicago School of Public Health Environmental and Occupational Health Sciences 2121 W. Taylor St. (M/C 922) Chicago, IL. 60612-7260 Fax: 312-413-9898 ------------------------------ #808 Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 14:13:55 -0500 From: "Mark J. Kittleson, Ph.D." Subject: A Summer Institute HEDIRs: A good friend of mine, Bruce Ragon, is assisting in the coordination of the American School Health Association's 1997 Summer Institute. It will be held on the campus of the University of North Carolina at Wilmington. The dates are July 31, August 1, and August 2. From hearing Bruce talk, this is going to be a great conference. Besides being economically reasonable, (participates are able to stay at the UNCW dorms and eat meals on campus at very reasonable rates), you are only a hop, skip and a jump from beautiful ocean beaches. It sounds like one will be able to work out a family vacation, and being able to deduct it from taxes by attending a professioinal conference. If you need more information, contact Bruce at ragonb@uncwil.edu He'll have specific information as far as costs, registration, etc. __________________________ Mark J. Kittleson, Ph.D. Owner and Founder, HEDIR Home Page: http://www.siu.edu/~kittle E-Mail Home Page: http://www.siu.edu/~kittle/HEDIR/Menu.html ------------------------------ #809 Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 09:18:29 -0400 From: "Michael J. Ludwig" Subject: Paulo Freire, Brazilian Educator This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------47C57D891BB9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Paulo Freire's passing has been mentioned on the list. What follows is his obit from the NY Times. http://www.nytimes.com/yr/mo/day/news/national/freire-obit.html -- ________________________________________________________ Michael J. Ludwig 803.323.4687 (office) 803.366.1545 (home) Department of Health and Physical Education 111 Peabody Building Winthrop University, Rock Hill, SC 29733 "Life is weather. Life is meals." --James Salter ------------------------------ #810 Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 09:40:25 -0400 From: "Dunn, Patricia" Subject: Instruments that Measure Teacher knowledge of AIDS This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------ =_NextPart_000_01BC5A01.8B4567E0 Content-Type: text/plain I am looking for an instrument that measures Teacher Knowledge about HIV/AIDS.Thanks for any help or leads----Pat Dunn Patricia C.Dunn, Ph.D. Professor of Health Education Director of International Programs Department of Health Education East Carolina University Greenville, North Carolina 27858 USA Telephone: (919) 328-6433 FAX: (919) 328-1285 NOTE -- New E Mail Address: DUNNP@MAIL.ECU.EDU ------------------------------ #811 Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 12:28:17 -0500 From: "Randall R. Cottrell" Subject: Job Announcement HEDIR Readers: A friend, Dr. Sally Graumlich, asked that I place the following announcement of a health education position on HEDIR. Please contact Sally directly if you have questions or need additional information. Curriculum Writer: Research Specialist The Prevention Research Center of the University of Illinois at Chicago seeks an experienced curriculum writer to help develop innovative health promotion and risk prevention curricula for African-American middle and high school students. Interested candidates should have a strong background in educational theory and design, working knowledge of social development skills, Afrocentric approaches, and health education content. Masters in health education or social science (or combination of education and experience) required. Experience teaching and or working with African American communities also required. Computer literacy necessary. For fullest considration, send resume, cover letter and three letters of reference by May 19, 1997 to: Sally Graumlich, Ed.D., Prevention Research Center, University of Illinois at Chicago, 850 Jackson Blvd., Suite 400, Chicago, IL 60607 UIC is AA/EOE. Randall R. Cottrell, D.Ed., CHES Professor Health Promotion & Education University of Cincinnati PO Box 210022 Cincinnati, OH 45221-0022 Phone (513)556-3861 FAX (513)556-2483 ------------------------------ #812 Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 15:13:11 -0400 From: BONAGURO Subject: RCB The AAHE Rearch Coordinating Board (RCB) is seeking volunteers for abstract reviewers. If you are an AAHE member and interested in serving as a reviewer or would like to nominate someone, please send contact information (name, address, etc...) to John Bonaguro, School of Health Sciences and Human Performance, Ithaca College, Ithaca, NY 14850, 607-274-3100; fax: 607-274-1943; or email Bonaguro@Ithaca.edu. Abstract are due Sept. 1, 1997 and reviewers should be available during the month of Sept to review/return abstracts. ------------------------------ #813 Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 14:22:30 -0500 From: "Mark J. Kittleson, Ph.D." Subject: yes, you can reply I've received many memos regarding my change in configurations regarding the HEDIR. The concerns were evenly split--some are in full agreement, whereas others were concerned that it might limit the HEDIR responses. The latter concerns were that sometimes it is nice to have a response to a HEDIR message with the original HEDIR message intact. Their concern is that by making it more difficult to reply to a HEDIR message might hinder a person's willingness to respond back to a HEDIR message. To some extent I must agree with them. As one person said...I'm damned if I do and I'm damned if I don't. The purpose of this memo is to let you know that you CAN reply back to the HEDIR...one just needs to hit "FORWARD". The forward button allows one to pass the memo to somebody different than the original sender. For example, if you wanted to respond to the HEDIR about this memo (and you wanted this memo to be reshown with the < figures before each line), hit FORWARD and then on the TO: line type the HEDIR address (HEDIR-L@SIU.EDU). In fact, most mailing systems allow you to create nicknames so that you can FORWARD via one of those nicknames. Again, for those of you unfamiliar with all of the unique capabilities of an e-mail system, you may want to go to my tutorial on the web. Go to my home page (listed below) and click onto the Tutorial Link. Let's try this for a while and see what happens. As always, I appreciate your comments and concerns. Feel free to keep sending them. __________________________ Mark J. Kittleson, Ph.D. Owner and Founder, HEDIR Home Page: http://www.siu.edu/~kittle E-Mail Home Page: http://www.siu.edu/~kittle/HEDIR/Menu.html ------------------------------ #814 Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 15:18:38 CDT From: EDU5114@UABDPO.DPO.UAB.EDU Subject: Radio Info I thought this might be useful for some of you interested in Cancer Support Groups. Scott Winnail, UAB School of Education ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- The only talk radio cancer support group. If you, a friend, or a loved one is dealing with cancer, you have a voice in The Group Room. Call and participate from anywhere in the U.S. and Canada during a broadcast: 1 (800) GRP-ROOM 1 (800) 477-7666 The Group Room airs every Sunday 4:00-6:00 PM EST - 1:00-3:00 PM PST This two hour cancer support and information talk show is a collaborative effort between Vital Options(r) TeleSupport(r) Cancer Network and Premiere Radio Networks. Currently, The Group Room airs: WEVD/1050 AM NEW YORK, NEW JERSEY, CONNECTICUT, RHODE ISLAND WJIC/1510 AM SALEM, NEW JERSEY, & PARTS OF PENNSYLVANIA WZHF/1390 AM WASHINGTON, DC & PARTS OF VIRGINA AND MARYLAND (CURRENTLY LIVE ON SUNDAYS 4-6PM EDT; MON.- FRI. 2:00-3:00 PM EDT TAPE DELAYED) WCBC/1270 AM MARYLAND (SUN. 9:00-11:00AM EDT TAPE DELAYED) KPRC/950 AM HOUSTON, TEXAS (SUN. 8:00-10:00 PM CDT TAPE DELAYED) WCUZ/1230 AM GRAND RAPIDS, MICHIGAN Canadian Stations: CKGM/990 AM MONTREAL, QUEBEC CIFX/1290 AM WINNIPEG, MANITOBA CJBK/1290 AM LONDON, ONTARIO CJCH/920 AM HALIFAX, NOVA SCOTIA CHNO/550 AM SUDBURY, ONTARIO To e-Mail us on the internet: GrpRoom@aol.com To hear live on the internet during the broadcast with 28.8 bps modem and real audio) http:www.premrad.com To receive station updates or to leave messages for Vital Options or the Group Room 1-818-508-5657 To write us a letter or order cassette tapes of past shows: Vital Options TeleSupport Cancer Network PO Box 19233 Encino, CA 91416-9233 ------------------------------ #815 Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 16:36:48 -0400 From: "Judith D. Pierce" Subject: Re: yes, you can reply Seems like a good strategy, thanks Mark. Judith Dwyer Pierce University of Vermont 533 Waterman Burlington, VT 05405 651-1869, 656-3356 http://www.uvm.edu/~jdpierce@zoo.uvm.edu ------------------------------ #816 Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 16:16:47 -0500 From: "Steven R. Furney 245-2561" Subject: Last Call - Southern District Program Proposals Time is running out for your chance to submit a Southern District AAHPERD Health Council Program Proposal. The 1998 Southern District Convention will be held February 4-8, 1998 in Biloxi, Mississippi. The deadline for proposals is June 1, 1997. For a copy of the program proposal form or additional information please contact either Steve Furney or Andrew Lewis (see info. below). Steve Furney SO District VP - Health Southwest Texas State University Dept. of HPER San Marcos, TX 78666 (512) 245-2939 sf02@a1.swt.edu Andrew Lewis 1998 Program Chair College of Charleston Dept. of P.E. and H. 66 George Street Charleston, SC 29424 (803) 953-5558 ------------------------------ #817 Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 15:29:03 -0500 From: "Cunnien, Renae D., Ph.D." Subject: JOHN SEFFRIN'S ADDRESS? I know this has been asked before, but does anyone have John Seffrin's e-mail address? Or do you know how I could get a copy of the Smoking Cessation campaign ads(videotape) that he showed during his AAHE Scholar talk in St. Louis? Thanks, Renae D. Cunnien, Ph.D. Mayo Clinic Scottsdale ------------------------------ #818 Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 17:41:37 -0500 From: "Renae Cunnien, Ph.D." Subject: POSITION ANNOUNCEMENT Mayo Clinic Scottsdale announces a new position for a Patient and Health Education Specialist to join an existing program. The official position announcement follows: PATIENT AND HEALTH EDUCATION SPECIALIST At Mayo Clinic Arizona, our dynamic environment unifies the energy and enthusiasm of people working together to make a difference in the lives of our patients. From the diversity of our employees to the international community of patients we serve, our standards of excellence are upheld every day. As we continue to set the standards in health care and meet the growing needs of our patients and community, we are expanding in Phoenix with the addition of Mayo Hospital, a 178-bed facility due to be open in the Summer of l998. Seeking an individual to plan, develop, implement and evaluate or consult on patient and health education programs. The individual must demonstrate teaching skills and thorough understanding and application of educational principles in the patient and health educator role. Ability to: 1) be flexible in contributing individually and in multi-disciplinary teams, 2) be resourceful in working collaboratively with others, 3) master new technical knowledge and skills. Receives direction from Director, Allied Health Clinical Education. Demonstrated computer skills and JCAHO experience required. Minimum of bachelor's degree, 3-5 years patient education experience required; R.N. with master's degree preferred. Please send resumes to Mayo Clinic Scottsdale, 13400 E. Shea Blvd., Scottsdale, Arizona, 85259. Attention: Job Posting No. 9705267. Application deadline - July 15, l997. Starting date approx. September 1, l997. Affirmative Action Employer and Educator ------------------------------ #819 Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 17:44:48 -0400 From: Alyson Taub Subject: Jobs Wanted If you have a job available or know of one, there are many health educators, particularly new graduates looking for positions. They are listed in the jobs wanted category of Health Education Professional Resources (HEPR). Please check our website, and help if you can. The URL is: http://www.nyu.edu/education/health/healthed/taub/hepr/noframes/index.html Also check the jobs available and submit info about positions to be filled. Thanks. Alyson Taub (alyson.taub@nyu.edu) ------------------------------ #820 Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 14:26:22 -0500 From: "Mark J. Kittleson, Ph.D." Subject: Fwd: Position at CDC > > POSITION OPENING/ANNOUNCEMENT > >The National Center for Injury Prevention and Control (NCIPC), Centers for >Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) is searching for an Associate Director >for Policy, Planning, and Legislation. In the United States approximately >150,000 people die each year from injuries sustained in motor vehicle >crashes, falls, burns, drownings, poisonings, homicides and suicides. This >translates into over 400 people who die from injuries everyday, with about >60 of these deaths being children. The mission of NCIPC is to prevent both >fatal and non-fatal injuries and associated disabilities. The Center >currently consists of over 125 staff with a budget of $50 million per year. > >As the Associate Director for Policy, Planning and Legislation, the >incumbent establishes goals and policies for an effective planning and >legislative framework for NCIPC programs and , as a member of the senior >management team, is actively involved in evaluating the effectiveness of the >Center's activities. In this capacity, the incumbent directs NCIPC's Office >of Planning, Evaluation, and Legislation which consists of five permanent >staff members, GS-7 to GS-14 level. The Associate Director also serves as a >key advisor to Center's Director and Deputy Director on health policy >issues, programs priorities, and legislative issues. The position requires >working with a wide variety of organizations and individuals including other >staff in CDC and the Department of Health and Human Services, other Federal >agencies, Congressional staff members, State and Local Health agencies, >professional societies, and other private and voluntary organizations. > >The salary range for this position is $75,000 - $95,000 depending upon >qualifications and experience. For those who are interested in finding out >more information about this position and how to officially apply, please >contact Mr. Mark Scally or Ms. Terri Brake, National Center for Injury >Prevention and Control at (770) 488 - 4037, no later than June 6, 1997. > > > __________________________ Mark J. Kittleson, Ph.D. Owner and Founder, HEDIR Home Page: http://www.siu.edu/~kittle E-Mail Home Page: http://www.siu.edu/~kittle/HEDIR/Menu.html ------------------------------ #821 Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 17:58:48 -0400 From: Lisa Wallis Subject: Mayo Position Comment As a future health educator (I am currently pursuing my master's), I was disappointed to see that the Mayo position announcement for a Patient and Health Education Specialist mentions "R.N. with master's degree preferred". Wouldn't "CHES with master's degree preferred" be more appropriate? What are your thoughts about the effects on the health education profession when this type of preference is listed? Lisa Wallis M.S.P.H. student University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign ------------------------------ #822 Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 19:57:02 EDT From: S Thakkar Subject: Re: Mayo Position Comment I agree with your comments on the Mayo position. Since you brought it up, I just wanted to say that I felt the same way you did when I read the announcement. I thought this profession was past that phase where R.N.'s were the only ones to provide health education to patients. I was taught that "Health Education" was a REAL profession. I guess that's why I am eagerly trying to complete my Master's thesis, so that I may become a "professional" in this field. Apparently, it seems that I might have to get an R.N., also, to get some jobs. ------------------------------ #823 Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 22:47:34 -0000 From: pvan Subject: Re: Mayo Position Comment Lisa Wallis wrote: As a future health educator (I am currently pursuing my master's), I was disappointed to see that the Mayo position announcement for a Patient and Health Education Specialist mentions "R.N. with master's degree preferred". Wouldn't "CHES with master's degree preferred" be more appropriate? What are your thoughts about the effects on the health education profession when this type of preference is listed? Lisa Wallis M.S.P.H. student University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign As a RN with a MS in Health Education working as a Patient Educator I believe I am qualified to address Lisa's comments and frustrations. I agree with her recommendations that CHES certification would be a preferred qualification but understand why an RN was requested. Very simply put, health care institutions such as the Mayo Clinic continue to practice by the Medical Model which focuses little on prevention and mainly on management of acute and chronic illnesses. As a general rule, the providers of care in these institutions are not able to devote time to prevention because the users of the clinic are visiting mainly for symptom relief. Typically RN's receive training based on the medical model and take several more classes dealing with anatomy, physiology, pharmacology, pathophysiology, and other courses that make them quite prepared to offer education services as compared to those individuals with degrees in health education. This does not mean that an RN is the best person or most qualified individual in the long run to provide health information, it just means that an RN best meets these organizations' needs at this time. Until prevention of illness is a bigger player at these institutions I believe health educators will continue to compete with RN's for certain positions. Pat VanMaanen RN, MS, OCN Patient Education Kaiser Permanente ------------------------------ #824 Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 09:40:49 -0400 From: Jennifer Karpinsky Subject: Re: Mayo Position Comment As an individual who received a Masters of Education in Health promotion last year, I have to say I have been very disappointed with the number of organizations that don't give the degree much credibility. There have been many health education/promotion/prevention job postings that I have read that have also asked for either a medical degree of some type, a social work degree &/or a counseling degree. The Mayo position is a good example of what I am running into. I understand why the Mayo position, being medically based, may want the additional RN experience. However, I have found that in almost every sector there is additional education pertinent to that area. I pursued the degree with the goal to stay working in a university setting and fortunately I am doing (that to an extent). Yet, in order for me to be a full-time educator at the university level, I have been advised that I must also pursue my docatorate in Health Education. Unfortunately, it seems that the public sector sees things the same way. The Masters in Health Education just doesn't get the same credibility a Masters in another field would earn. I was relieved to hear today that I am not alone in my concerns, but am concerned that the job market is always going to want something in addition to the MEd. For someone who is trying to make herself as flexible in the job market as possible, with limited resources for additional education at this time, I am now asking myself, what additional degree seems to be the optimal choice? At 10:47 PM 5/8/97 -0000, pvan wrote: >Lisa Wallis wrote: > >As a future health educator (I am currently pursuing my master's), I was >disappointed to see that the Mayo position announcement for a Patient and >Health Education Specialist mentions "R.N. with master's degree >preferred". > Wouldn't "CHES with master's degree preferred" be more appropriate? > >What are your thoughts about the effects on the health education >profession >when this type of preference is listed? > >Lisa Wallis >M.S.P.H. student >University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign > >As a RN with a MS in Health Education working as a Patient Educator I >believe I am qualified to address Lisa's comments and frustrations. I >agree with her recommendations that CHES certification would be a >preferred qualification but understand why an RN was requested. Very >simply put, health care institutions such as the Mayo Clinic continue to >practice by the Medical Model which focuses little on prevention and >mainly on management of acute and chronic illnesses. As a general rule, >the providers of care in these institutions are not able to devote time >to prevention because the users of the clinic are visiting mainly for >symptom relief. Typically RN's receive training based on the medical >model and take several more classes dealing with anatomy, physiology, >pharmacology, pathophysiology, and other courses that make them quite >prepared to offer education services as compared to those individuals >with degrees in health education. This does not mean that an RN is the >best person or most qualified individual in the long run to provide >health information, it just means that an RN best meets these >organizations' needs at this time. Until prevention of illness is a >bigger player at these institutions I believe health educators will >continue to compete with RN's for certain positions. > >Pat VanMaanen RN, MS, OCN >Patient Education >Kaiser Permanente > > Jennifer Karpinsky University of Cincinnati (513)556-5918 ------------------------------ #825 Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 08:52:13 -0500 From: "Mark J. Kittleson, Ph.D." Subject: Re: Mayo Position Comment The Mayo Clinic Job is an example of why a health educator has to sell his/her job. First, I believe the job description said: " Minimum of bachelor's degree, 3-5 years patient education experience required; R.N. with master's degree preferred." It says RN with masters *preferred.* But, more importantly, this is why health educators need to know the 7 areas of responsibility (and the 10 for graduate students) to convince employers that they indeed are competent to do what they can do. Don't look at the title of the job, but rather the description. Each of those items listed are addressed by the 7 areas of responsibilities. Yes, it would be nice if we could "teach" the world what health educators do, but in reality, there are few "health education" title jobs, HOWEVER, there are tons of health education jobs if we use the 7/10 areas of responsibilities. >As an individual who received a Masters of Education in Health promotion >last year, I have to say I have been very disappointed with the number of >organizations that don't give the degree much credibility. There have been >many health education/promotion/prevention job postings that I have read >that have also asked for either a medical degree of some type, a social >work degree &/or a counseling degree. The Mayo position is a good example >of what I am running into. I understand why the Mayo position, being >medically based, may want the additional RN experience. However, I have >found that in almost every sector there is additional education pertinent >to that area. > __________________________ Mark J. Kittleson, Ph.D. Owner and Founder of HEDIR Home Page: http://www.siu.edu/~kittle HEDIR Home Page: http://www.siu.edu/~kittle/HEDIR/Menu.html ------------------------------ #826 Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 22:23:25 -0700 From: Isabel Burk Subject: schoolage students/community service FYI, From the US Dept. of Education: > ----------------- > COMMUNITY SERVICE > ----------------- 93% of 6th through 12th graders who were > asked to volunteer actually did, compared with 24% of those > who were not asked, according to a study released last week > by the Department's National Center for Education Statistics > (NCES). At the time of the interview, 49% of the students > reported being involved in community service during the 1995 > & 1996 school year; 26% said they participate regularly. > The most important factor in student participation appeared > to be whether schools arranged or offered community service. > For more information, please see "Student Participation in > Community Service Activity" highlights: > http://www.ed.gov/NCES/pubs97/97331.html > > -------------------- -- Isabel Burk, M.S., CHES The Health Network 914-638-3569 (fax)914-638-1928 iburk@mail.idt.net ------------------------------ #827 Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 10:32:56 EDT From: STUFORS@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU Subject: RN -BSN -CHES -MEd issues A brief comment about hiring nurses for health education. In some of my contacts over the years, I have been made aware that in some cases, hiring an RN is necessary because of licensing requirements. Necessary because in Patient Education the "educator" may be following part of a prescribed treatment protocol and thus a license may be necessary to practice medicine regardless of its nature. In the Mayo case, it would be interesting to know why the RN is "preferred". I still think we still have a job to do in marketing ourselves as true professionals to those who don't know much about us. The responsibilities/competencies that have been developed for professional prep. programs and practice seem to be a step in the right direction. A Mark K. said, those competencies are what people want when they are looking for "health/patient educators". stu fors dept of health promotion and behavior univ. of georgia athens --currently mourning over the loss of "Tubby" Smith, our wonderful basketball coach, to the Kentucky Wildcats-- ------------------------------ #828 Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 10:55:25 -0500 From: "Gayle Schmidt (by way of \"Mark J. Kittleson, Ph.D.\" )" Subject: Re: Mayo Position Comment -Reply I agree with Mark's comments and continue to say the same things to our undergraduates. As long as health educators are willing to go ahead and get the RN to satisfy the marketplace rather than sell what the health educator is trained to do, this will continue. I feel doubly qualified to make these comments as in a former life I was an RN. It did not provide the training for education that the health education degree does. Gayle Schmidt gschmidt@tamu.edu ------------------------------ #829 Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 11:17:03 -0500 From: Jim Broadbear Subject: text of potential interest HEDIRs, I wanted to make you aware (not at the request of the authors) of a text some collegues of mine have written. "Practicing the Application of Health Education Skills and Competencies" is (IMHO) a very valuable tool to aid in making the 7 responsibilities and competencies a real part of your undergraduate curriculum. The book includes one or more learning activities for each subcompetency and could be used as discussion starters, in-class activities, or more structured assignments. This approach will likely assist your program's ability to document coverage of all responsibilities and competencies for accreditation but also, more importantly, assist in skill development of your students. If you'd like more information you can contact the publishers at: Jones and Bartlett Publishers 40 Tall Pine Drive Sudbury, MA 01776 info@jbpub.com Authors: B. Keyser M. Morrow K. Doyle R. Ogletree N. Parsons My Best, Jim James T. Broadbear Assistant Professor Campus Box 5220 Department of Health Sciences Illinois State University Normal, IL 61790-5220 phone: (309) 438-8289 fax: (309) 438-2450 e-mail: jtbroad@ilstu.edu ------------------------------ #830 Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 12:27:49 -0400 From: Arindam Basu Subject: Re: Mayo Position Comment Hello Everyone: This has a reference to the seven areas of competency (and ten, for the graduate level educators). Here is a question from a recent graduate level "health education methods seminar" class: "How can health education standards help the classroom teachers, K-12?" There seems to be _only _one_ acceptable and valid answer to this question; this should include the seven competency areas outlined for classes K-12 only, and how they can help any classroom teacher. Consequently, any attempt to address this question from the point of view of a graduate level health educator working in a classroom setting (and hence empahsizing the necessity for development of the competency areas as outlined in the SOPHE/AAHE recommendations,1997) was considered irrelevant and unaccepatable. I believe the interpretation is that for a classroom teacher working with children at K-12 level, it's more important to focus on the competency areas of the class only ; whether he/she possesses the standards of competency at a graduate health educator level is irrelevant. In other words, for health education in schools, it's unnecessary to hire a graduate level health educator. If this is true for a school, is Mayo Clinic really wrong in placing the ad in the way they did? :) Sincerely, Arindam Basu East Stroudsburg University East Stroudsburg,PA 18301 On Fri, 9 May 1997, Mark J. Kittleson, Ph.D. wrote: > The Mayo Clinic Job is an example of why a health educator has to sell his/her job. First, I believe the job description said: > " Minimum of bachelor's degree, 3-5 years patient education experience required; > R.N. with master's degree preferred." > It says RN with masters *preferred.* > > But, more importantly, this is why health educators need to know the 7 areas of responsibility (and the 10 for graduate students) to convince employers that they indeed are competent to do what they can do. Don't look at the title of the job, but rather the description. Each of those items listed are addressed by the 7 areas of responsibilities. > > Yes, it would be nice if we could "teach" the world what health educators do, but in reality, there are few "health education" title jobs, HOWEVER, there are tons of health education jobs if we use the 7/10 areas of responsibilities. > > >As an individual who received a Masters of Education in Health promotion > >last year, I have to say I have been very disappointed with the number of > >organizations that don't give the degree much credibility. There have been > >medically based, may want the additional RN experience. However, I have > >found that in almost every sector there is additional education pertinent > >to that area. > > > __________________________ > Mark J. Kittleson, Ph.D. > Owner and Founder of HEDIR > Home Page: http://www.siu.edu/~kittle > HEDIR Home Page: http://www.siu.edu/~kittle/HEDIR/Menu.html > ------------------------------ #831 Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 12:13:52 -0400 From: lystranne hunte Subject: Job opportunities Allow me to introduce myslef. My name is L. Quieta Hunte and I am a soon to be graduate of the University of South Florida, College of Public Health in Community and Family Health (Health Education). My anticipated date of graduation is August 1997. I am currently seeking employment in the field of Public Health Education. My area of interest is adolescent HIV prevention education, with a specific concern for minority adolescents and children. I am an international student from Trinidad and Tobago, a beautiful caribbean island and I am eager, competent, intelligent, willing young lady who is at this time in dire need of experience. My internship, which begins in June and ends in August, is with a non-profit organization in Tampa, FL that serves specifically young children and adults who are HIV positive. Francis House is a small organization that uses the holistic approach to treat those afflicted with this horrid disease. I am very anxious to hear from anyone who has information on job opportunites any where in the US in the area of Health Education and Promotion generally, and as it pertains to HIV specifically. So, if you have something to share, please write soon. Looking forward to hearing from you. Sincerely, Quieta ------------------------------ #832 Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 12:11:27 -0500 From: "Mark J. Kittleson, Ph.D." Subject: qualitative research If anybody is conducting qualitative research, would you please contact me (you can just hit the reply button...it'll come back to me). I'm particularly interested in what stage you are in regarding your study and where you plan to submit it for publication.__________________________ Mark J. Kittleson, Ph.D. Owner and Founder of HEDIR Home Page: http://www.siu.edu/~kittle HEDIR Home Page: http://www.siu.edu/~kittle/HEDIR/Menu.html ------------------------------ #833 Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 12:17:56 -0500 From: Barbara Ellen Giloth Subject: Re: Mayo Position Comment There are many patient education positions especially in tertiary settings that require substantial clinical expertise not possessed by a health educator who does not already have an RN or other clinical degree. there are also patient education manager roles where the clinical expertise would be clearly secondary. Although I can't recall the precise duties, qualifications such as "RN and Masters with CHES preferred" might be perferrable. ------------------------------ #834 Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 13:38:27 -0400 From: William Livingood Subject: Re: Mayo Position Comment Just a few questions! Is Health Education a "REAL" profession or an emerging profession? How many of the Universities that offer a Masters degree in Health Education in some form (MS, MEd, MPH, etc.) have been accredited by some type of Health Education Accreditation body? What does it mean to have a Masters degree in Health Education if there are no common standards? I think we are making a great deal of progress with the recent adoption of graduate level competencies by two major health education professional organizations but we have a way to go to fully implement the standards. Can we expect employers to recognize the Masters degree in health education if common standards are not recognized and used by the profession and universities. Do all health education masters degrees prepare graduates in patient education? Is a credentialed health educator who also has credentials in a Patient Care related profession going to have more of a claim to being a patient health educator than a health educator prepared just in the generic competencies? I am personally dedicated to the continued development of a health education profession, but I believe we should be realistic in what we must do to become more recognized as a profession by other professions and by society as a whole. Bill Livingood m ------------------------------ #835 Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 10:50:22 -0700 From: Andrew Jenkins Subject: Friday Inspiration Friends and Fellows, This little poem seems appropriate this week: Teach me to feel another's woe; To hide the fault I see: That mercy I to others show, That mercy show to me. Alexander Pope Thank you Moms! Andy J :{) +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++ ++++++++ "It is difficult to say what is impossible, for the dream of yesterday is the hope of today and the reality of tomorrow." Robert Goddard Andrew P. Jenkins, PhD, CHES Health Education Programs Central Washington University Ellensburg, WA 98926 509-963-1041 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++ +++++++++ ------------------------------ #836 Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 14:26:09 -0400 From: P Michael Peterson Subject: Re: Mayo Position Comment Sell your skill set. The health promotion/education skill set is marketable. Even outside the health field per say. ------------------------------ #837 Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 14:14:22 -0400 From: bev Subject: Health Ed in Clinical Settings I've been enjoying the discussion about qualifications for Health Educators in such settings. I agree that, for this particular opportunity, CHES preferred MIGHT be helpful. Coming from over two decades of acute care and outpatient nursing, and then making the transition to Health Education, and now preparing both undergraduate and graduate Health Educators, maybe I can throw in another two cents worth of clarification. Clinics and hospitals serve a wide variety of people. There are multiple layers of clients--but let me present just three for our purposes. First, with Managed Care and competetition for part of the market share, many previously "illness focused" institutions offer a wide variety of preventive education and health promotion services to the community at large--things like blood pressure screening, nutrition information, home safety, etc. I'd feel confident that any of my undergrads could do a dynamite job in a position like this, focused on health promotion and disease prevention in the community---sponsored by a medical facility. Second, clinics and hospitals have a responsibility to their clients who have been under treatment for diagnosed disease and/or injury. These folks can clearly benefit from all of the preventive information described above, but they also need to know about specific therapies, their medications, the disease process, etc. This is an entirely different body of information than the more generic health promotion information above. Health care institutions are liable (and understandably so) for providing their clients with correct, pertinent, and up-to-date information about their diseases and how to manage them. It's a different world. It doesn't mean that health educators aren't capable of teaching the material, but they do have to first have an understanding of the fields of study involved. You can't help a person with a new colostomy understand the changes he or she will encounter, or how to care for the colostomy, unless you first have experience with it (meaning you know what was done, how much of the colon is left, necessary dietary changes, etc.) yourself..Things like the pathology involved, medications, etc. are specialized types of information. Multiply it by the vast number of diagnoses, and it becomes incredibly complex. Third, many institutions also hire educators who will be educating the nursing and other staff about new equipment, procedures, etc. These folks may or may not, depending on the size of the institution, also provide patient education. As with the second case I mentioned above, you need to understand the reasons for the procedures, the equipment, etc. I would not feel comfortable with one of my undergrads who had not had further education or training trying to fill such a position. It would be like me trying to explain new tools to the carpenters who use them all the time. I would have the teaching methods down real well, but I wouldn't understand their needs, or the implications. I don't look at that ad as a slam toward health educators at all---It's a position based on a different economy and a different (medical) model for a possibly very different purpose. I've also known lots of nurses over the years who were excellent clinicians, and who were (and are) mandated to teach their patients/clients---but who felt frustrated because of the lack of pedagogy, methods, and general support as they tried to teach. Part of it may be apples and oranges. So much for my two cents--hope it's helpful. Bev ------------------------------ #838 Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 14:34:33 -0500 From: "Judy Taylor (by way of \"Mark J. Kittleson, Ph.D.\" )" Subject: Re: Mayo Position Comment I agree w/ Mark's comments regarding the need to market ourselves better & feel that the graduate competentices will help this. Judy Taylor - UAB, Health Ed. Program Coord. ---------- > From: Mark J. Kittleson, Ph.D. > To: HEDIR-L@SIU.EDU > Subject: Re: Mayo Position Comment > Date: Friday, May 09, 1997 8:52 AM > > The Mayo Clinic Job is an example of why a health educator has to sell his/her job. First, I believe the job description said: > " Minimum of bachelor's degree, 3-5 years patient education experience required; > R.N. with master's degree preferred." > It says RN with masters *preferred.* > > But, more importantly, this is why health educators need to know the 7 areas of responsibility (and the 10 for graduate students) to convince employers that they indeed are competent to do what they can do. Don't look at the title of the job, but rather the description. Each of those items listed are addressed by the 7 areas of responsibilities. > > Yes, it would be nice if we could "teach" the world what health educators do, but in reality, there are few "health education" title jobs, HOWEVER, there are tons of health education jobs if we use the 7/10 areas of responsibilities. > > >As an individual who received a Masters of Education in Health promotion > >last year, I have to say I have been very disappointed with the number of > >organizations that don't give the degree much credibility. There have been > >many health education/promotion/prevention job postings that I have read > >that have also asked for either a medical degree of some type, a social > >work degree &/or a counseling degree. The Mayo position is a good example > >of what I am running into. I understand why the Mayo position, being > >medically based, may want the additional RN experience. However, I have > >found that in almost every sector there is additional education pertinent > >to that area. > > > __________________________ > Mark J. Kittleson, Ph.D. > Owner and Founder of HEDIR > Home Page: http://www.siu.edu/~kittle > HEDIR Home Page: http://www.siu.edu/~kittle/HEDIR/Menu.html ------------------------------ #839 Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 15:59:40 -0400 From: Becky Smith Subject: Re: graduate standards The Standards for the Preparation of Graduate Level Health Educators were also published in March/April, 1997 issue of the Journal of Health Education. In addition, a bound copy of the very LIMITED EDITION of the document prepared by the committee can be purchased by ordering from either SOPHE or AAHE. The numbers follow: AAHE Publications (800) 321-0780 SOPHE (202) 408-9804. I hope this information will be of assistance. Becky J. Smith, Ph.D, CHES Executive Director American Association for Health Education 1900 Association Dr. Reston, VA 20191 703-476-3437 Fax: 703-476-6638 email: bsmith@aahperd.org >---------- >From: Mark J. Kittleson, Ph.D.[SMTP:kittle@siu.edu] >Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 1997 9:31 AM >To: JOINT-L@siu.edu >Subject: graduate standards > >I received my copy of my graduate standards and they look really nice. Also >noticed that the recent issue of Health Education & Behavior (?), formerly >Health Education Quarterly, published the standards. > >For my students use, I have put the standards on the following web page: > >http://ws221136.educ.siu.edu/info/kittle.html > >one can download them...they are in wordperfect 6.0 version, but could be >converted. Sometimes it's nice to have an electronic version of them. > >__________________________ >Mark J. Kittleson, Ph.D. >Owner and Founder of HEDIR >Home Page: http://www.siu.edu/~kittle >HEDIR Home Page: http://www.siu.edu/~kittle/HEDIR/Menu.html > ------------------------------ #840 Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 15:57:29 -0400 From: John Canfield Subject: Health Problems and Business Costs?? I have a very important workplace question that needs answering. I conduct "AIDS in the Workplace" programs for local businesses in my community. I always get asked about the cost of hiring and keeping someone with HIV and/or AIDS. I have an answer, but need some more information. ***** Does anyone know the costs of hiring and keeping an employee with other health problems? (cancer, cardiovascular disease, diabetes, asthma, back impairments, emotional/psychiatric impairments, substance abuse, etc.) ***** BTW, the answer for HIV and/or AIDS is as follows: The average lifetime medical costs for AIDS are estimated at about $75,000 - $102,000. The average cost of treating a person living with HIV until an AIDS diagnosis is $50,000 or about $5000 a year. Estimated expenses of expected costs to a large business hiring and person living with HIV range from $20,600 to $31,800. For a small business, these numbers are $2,300 - $4,400. I don't think "cocktail" therpay is included in these figures... Farnham, P.G., (1994). Defining and Measuring the Costs of the HIV Epidemic to Business Firms. Public Health Reports, 109(3), 311-318 ********* John C. Canfield, M.Ed., C.H.E.S., A.T.,C Director of Public Awareness AIDGwinnett, Inc. 725 Scenic Highway P.O. Box 884 Lawrenceville, GA 30246-0884 (770) 962-8396 (770) 962-1291 Fax Jccanfield@worldnet.att.net ------------------------------ #841 Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 15:59:58 EST5EDT From: "Robert F. Valois, PhD, MPH" Subject: American Academy of Health Behavior "E.D." & Colleagues: 1. Mary S. Sutherland at Florida State Lloyde Kolbe, Diane Allensworth & Laura Kann at CDC-DASH John Allegrante at Columbia Richard Windsor at UAB School of Education (Many more but its friday and I'm brain dead) 2. Keep the name just like it is, have the lawyer do the title search and lock it in. 3. Yes, but it needs to be scholarly, have a clear mission and goals. Major couses of morbidity & mortlaity are behavior related. I can't recall the source of theis information, however, sometime after the turn of the century, the compulsive, depressive and anxiety producing disorders will make a big jump in prevlaence. We might want to consider this, and our colleagues in the related disciplines. Robert "Skip" Valois ------------------------------ #842 Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 17:24:57 -0500 From: "Deborah J. Mccormick" Subject: Information Technology Does anyone know of an information technology conference or workshop that is being held this summer that would be relevant to health education? The focus can be computer-based technology in teaching, research, or practice and does not necessarily have to be specific to health education although that is my preference. We have just received notification from our university that funding will be available to attend such a conference PROVIDED that: travel is identified prior to May 15 and travel is completed prior to September 1. The decision time frame is therefore quite short. If anyone knows of a conference that meets these criteria, I would appreciate hearing from you. Debby :) Deborah J. McCormick, Ph.D. Division of Education--Health University of Texas at San Antonio 6900 N. Loop 1604 West San Antonio, TX 78249-0654 (210) 458-5416 (210) 458-5848 (fax) dmccormi@lonestar.utsa.edu ------------------------------ #843 Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 15:36:23 -0800 From: Mark Fulop Subject: Mayo[2] Dumbing of HE Okay folks, this one is provocative.... When I went to school we were given no illusions that the real world was enamored with degrees in health education or even the mighty CHES. My California experience suggests that instead of advancing the profession of health education the real world practice is actually minimizing the profession of health education by labeling anyone a health educator. I believe that the origins of this "dumbing of health education" is the dark side of the tobacco tax initiative which created California's Statewide tobacco prevention program. As a very well funded program the tobacco tax created a glut of health education jobs and so agencies were scrambling to fill positions and ended up filling positions with anyone who was bi-lingual or had volunteered with Heart Lung or Cancer or who had presentation skills. These folks were all labeled health educators. And since these health educators had little formal education or were art and sociology majors (sorry no offense intended) they were happy with salaries that were quite low. This hire low/ "dumbing effect" has bled over to many, many health educator positions across agencies. Indeed here is an *actual* and typical want ad from last Sunday's Union Tribune: HEALTH EDUCATOR RAMONA Provide patient education/counseling, resource person for medical providers. Experience in health care, Bilingual (English/Spanish) required. Maintain insurable DMV record, involves local travel. [address deleted] So disillusioned because Mayo wanted a patient educator and called them a health educator? I suggest we should be equally disillusioned by the "dumbing" of the profession. _________________________________________________ Mark Fulop, MPH, CHES fulop@mail.sdsu.edu Co-Director, College Health 2000 A Health Promotion Collaborative 5500 Campanile Drive San Diego, CA 92182-4701 Phone: 619.594.2869 FAX: 619.594.5613 http://shs.sdsu.edu/ch2000/ Personal WWW page: http://www.znet.com/~hcom/ Projects affiliated with San Diego State University ------------------------------ #844 Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 19:05:53 -0400 From: Alyson Taub Subject: Re: Information Technology You might check the Professional Calendar on our website, Health Education Professional Resources (HEPR). There are meetings, conferences, and conventions listed there. The URL is: http://www.nyu.edu/education/health/healthed/taub/hepr/noframes/index.html On Fri, 9 May 1997, Deborah J. Mccormick wrote: > Does anyone know of an information technology conference or workshop that > is being held this summer that would be relevant to health education? > The focus can be computer-based technology in teaching, research, > or practice and does not necessarily have to be specific to health > education although that is my preference. > > We have just received notification from our university that funding will be > available to attend such a conference PROVIDED that: travel is identified > prior to May 15 and travel is completed prior to September 1. The > decision time frame is therefore quite short. > > If anyone knows of a conference that meets these criteria, I would > appreciate hearing from you. > > Debby :) > > Deborah J. McCormick, Ph.D. > Division of Education--Health > University of Texas at San Antonio > 6900 N. Loop 1604 West > San Antonio, TX 78249-0654 > (210) 458-5416 > (210) 458-5848 (fax) > dmccormi@lonestar.utsa.edu > ------------------------------ #845 Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 19:23:33 -0400 From: "Mark T. Tomita" Subject: Patient Educator I try not throw in my two cents, but I must respond to the discussion involving RNs and Health Educators in patient education positions. I pretty much agree with Bev regarding the professional qualifications of RNs in dealing with inpatient and outpatient populations. I too am an RN who made a lateral move into health education. Of what I have seen of the HE professional preparation programs, graduates, even at the master's level, are not qualified to deal with tertiary care populations. They need far more specialized knowledge and skills related to medical therapies, pathophysiology, pharmacology, and so on. I think if the health educator was hired specifically to provide health education and promotion services to a basically well, ambulatory population of patients, then the individual may be qualified for the position. My two extra cents, I think RNs who have professional preparation in health education are probably the best candidates to fill Patient Educator positions, especially in tertiary care facilities. The facility will receive the best of both professions.. I would be very interested in hearing the opinions of experienced Patient Educators. Mark ------------------------------ #846 Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 19:26:56 -0000 From: pvan Subject: Re: MAYO POSITION COMMENT Subject: Re: Mayo Position Comment Sent: 5/8/97 10:47 PM To: LisaWallis@aol.com HEDIR-L@siu.edu Lisa Wallis wrote: As a future health educator (I am currently pursuing my master's), I was disappointed to see that the Mayo position announcement for a Patient and Health Education Specialist mentions "R.N. with master's degree preferred". Wouldn't "CHES with master's degree preferred" be more appropriate? What are your thoughts about the effects on the health education profession when this type of preference is listed? Lisa Wallis M.S.P.H. student University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign As a RN with a MS in Health Education working as a Patient Educator I believe I am qualified to address Lisa's comments and frustrations. I agree with her recommendations that CHES certification would be a preferred qualification but understand why an RN was requested. Very simply put, health care institutions such as the Mayo Clinic continue to practice by the Medical Model which focuses little on prevention and mainly on management of acute and chronic illnesses. As a general rule, the providers of care in these institutions are not able to devote time to prevention because the users of the clinic are visiting mainly for symptom relief. Typically RN's receive training based on the medical model and take several more classes dealing with anatomy, physiology, pharmacology, pathophysiology, and other courses that make them quite prepared to offer education services as compared to those individuals with degrees in health education. This does not mean that an RN is the best person or most qualified individual in the long run to provide health information, it just means that an RN best meets these organizations' needs at this time. Until prevention of illness is a bigger player at these institutions I believe health educators will continue to compete with RN's for certain positions. Pat VanMaanen RN, MS, OCN Patient Education Kaiser Permanente ------------------------------ #847 Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 15:25:16 -0500 From: Melody Madlem Subject: RE- HED in Clinical Settin Just adding a few more cents. I get the feeling that a few of us are caught in the belief that the main HED competency required to be a patient educator is content knowledge; ie procedural knowledge, colostomy knowledge, disease-specific knowledge. IMHO, I feel that the main competencies required to be a health educator are process oriented. No, I do not know about colostomy, but I do know the process involved in planning, implementing, and evaluating a very responsible and appropriate educational experience for those individuals in need of this information. Content IS important, but knowing my content limited knowledge, I will utilize resources available to ensure and assure a competent, knowledgeable, reliable individual present the specific information needed (More than likely, a MD, not a RN). Thanks for letting me vent. Melody S. Madlem, Ph.D., CHES Assistant Professor--HED Baylor University Waco, TX ------------------------------ #848 Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 21:26:39 -0700 From: Isabel Burk Subject: Permanency Planning for Abused and Neglected Children More excellent resources: > > The Office of Juvenile Justice and Delinquency Prevention (OJJDP) > announces the availability of "Permanency Planning for Abused and > Neglected Children." This two-page Fact Sheet was written by Mary > Mentaberry, the Permanency Planning for Children Project Director > for the National Council of Juvenile and Family Court Judges > (NCJFCJ). > > When children are abused or neglected, the juvenile justice > system and youth-serving agencies must decide whether they can > remain with their families or whether another environment would > be safer and more desirable. If the decision is to remove the > child from the home, the new environment is most often some type > of foster care arrangement. > > Placing an abused or neglected child in foster care is, however, > a temporary resolution to an immediate problem. OJJDP supports > training and technical assistance to judges and others to safely > prevent unnecessary out-of-home placement of children, reunify > children with their families when feasible, and ease the timely > adoption of children unable to return home. > > The Fact Sheet details OJJDP's Permanency Planning for Children > Project developed by NCJFCJ in 1983. > > Resources: > > "Permanency Planning for Abused and Neglected Children" (FS-9765) > is available free from the Juvenile Justice Clearinghouse (JJC) > in a medium to suit your needs. Please use the document number > when ordering. Hardcopies can be ordered by sending an e-mail > request to askncjrs@ncjrs.org or by writing JJC at P.O. Box 6000, > Rockville, MD 20849-6000. You may also call JJC at 800-638-8736 > to request fax-back service or speak with a publications > specialist to request that the document be mailed to you. > > This Fact Sheet and other OJJDP publications are also available > electronically. For full-text publications, information on OJJDP > or JJC, and other juvenile justice information, visit the > following: > > OJJDP World Wide Web page at http://www.ncjrs.org/ojjhome.htm > > NCJRS World Wide Web page at http://www.ncjrs.org -- Isabel Burk, M.S., CHES The Health Network 914-638-3569 (fax)914-638-1928 iburk@mail.idt.net ------------------------------ #849 Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 11:28:21 -0700 From: Daniel Leviton Subject: Possibility of training grant to develop Adult Health & Development Program at your campus The odds are good that we will receive another training grant to develop Adult Health & Development Programs (AHDP)at your university or college. The AHDP is a 25 year old intergenerational health promotion and rehabilitation program at the University of Maryland at College Park. Its spread to other colleges and universities is called the National Network for Intergenerational Health. For a more detailed description see our webpage at http://www.inform.umd.edu/HLTH/faculty/dleviton If the grant is awarded, training of administrators who have the power to institutionalize a program will take place on Oct. 17 & 18 at College Park. Training of potential directors (two from each site) will take place Nov. 4-8 at College Park. Travel, hotel, and per diem will be paid. Your site will be obligated to 1. serve a diverse population of older adults and students-volunteers. 2. maintain the AHDP in terms of staffing, support, and funding through all of eternity and then some. 3. adhere to the purpose and concepts of the AHDP/NNIH (see the webpage). In this age of increased interest in service learning, intergenerational programing, community involvement, gerontological health and well-being, need to reduce violence and other forms of premature death, the AHDP/NNIH provides a unique and cost effective approach. Contact me if you wish to be placed on our list of potential sites. If you have previously contacted me you need to let me know if you are still interested. If you are a member of the NNIH you may wish to refer this to colleagues at other universities and colleges. Universities that now have their own AHDPs are Arizona State University, Bloomsburg State University, the University of Delaware, Florida A & M, Nicholls State University, and Northern Virginia Community College. Sites that will be operational by the Fall 1997 are the University of California at Long Beach, University of Miami Medical School, Coppin State University, University of South Alabama, Tuskegee University, and South Carolina State University. The latter four institutions are Historic Black Colleges and Universities (HBCUs). Montgomery Junior College at Takoma Park (MD), Chesapeake College (Wye, MD), and the University of the District of Columbia developed their programs in the 1980s before we received our training grants. Sites waiting for funding to begin their AHDP (they have trained directors) are Utica College, Arkansas State University, University of Miami at Oxford, and two HBCUs at Clark Atlanta University, and Savannah State University. Dan -- Dr. Daniel Leviton College of Health & Human Performance University of Maryland College Park, MD 20740, Phone: (301) 405-2528 ------------------------------ #850 Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 13:25:00 EST From: pack100w@WONDER.EM.CDC.GOV Subject: Re: Comments on marketing FROM: Packer, Kenneth L. TO:HEDIR-L@siu.edu SUBJECT: Re: Comments on marketing DATE: 05-10-97 13:17 EST PRIORITY: --------------------------------------- ------------------------------------ REPLY FROM: Packer, Kenneth L. I was intrigued by Mark's comments about the need to market ourselves better and Judy Taylor's agreement. I think that not only must we do a better job of marketing outselves to the outside, but we also need to do a better job of marketing ourselves to our colleagues. In the past, when one of us had anything good to offer...either goods of services, we were YELLED at by fellow HEDIR members, not to use this network for marketing. Maybe the time has come for an end to this practice. Many of us have many valuable skills. Many have written books, curriculum guides, and other products that can be used by colleagues as well as outside groups. If we know about them we can use them and promote them to others. Those of you who are consultants, use HEDIR to tell us about workshops you can do or services you can perform. Writing a new book on an interesting health related topic...tell us about it. Developed a teaching tool...tell us about it. Are you a specialist is some type of health education research...tell us about it. If anyone doesn't want to read about you....they can always hit DELETE. It takes a fraction of a second. :-)}Ken Packer Lets be proud of what we do, and let others know. ------------------------------ #851 Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 13:58:10 -0700 From: Carolyn Fisher Subject: Dumbing of Health Education I couldn't agree more with Mark's comments about health education in California. Only, it is even worse than what he described if health education in our K-12 schools is included. (Excluding Los Angeles USD and San Francisco USD and the few other districts that have health education as a district graduation requirement). What I see in California are districts assigning teachers with no experience or appropriate credentials to teach health. Often they wait until they are found out of compliance by the county credential folks who randomly check every 3 years. Basically, any teacher can be a health educator. Also, I see the same thing happening with contractors that come into the schools. They hire anyone and call them a health educator and pay them very little. If they make a mistake the contractor can walk away and never has to deal with the fallout from school boards, administrators or parents. There is a huge difference between a teacher with a Health Science credential and a "walk on" health educator. I believe that "walk on" coaches now have to attend required training in California. Shouldn't this be true of "walk on" health educators in the schools? It would also help considerably, if health education were a state graduation requirement instead of being left to the discretion of local school districts. Carolyn Fisher, M.Ed, CHES San Joaquin County Office of Education cfisher@earthlink.net ------------------------------ #852 Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 13:38:03 +0100 From: Ansa Ojanlatva Subject: rubber and allergy (Sorry for cross posting --but I think this is an important health ed issue. I am more concerned about the fact that this may have already come up in a mailing I failed to read; I was gone for a week had to delete a punch of "common" mail. Sorry if this is so. However, there may be a health educator who needs this for daily work, so here it goes. Those not interested in rubber/condoms and allergies may delete now.) A TV program (two in fact) a couple days ago featured allergy caused by rubber. I am sure this is not unfamiliar to health educators in the US; there was in fact a NBC program about a health care worker whose life became a minor hell due to this. First it was thought that the allergies were caused by the chemicals involved in the process of making rubber items but a discovery recently suggested that the rubber itself contains allergens. The program suggested two kinds of allergies: a minor one and a major one. The simple testing indicated for this involved holding a condom over three fingers for three hours, continuously. Reddish area may appear if one is allergic to rubber but the symptoms may include others; the symptoms vary from person to person. If no symptoms appear, one could touch the rubber with the tip of a tongue to make sure. Potential symptoms would then appear within 30 minutes. There is a WARNING, however, that a person should not do even this simple procedure alone as one cannot predict the symptoms in the major allergy picture. If the allergy is there, one should be careful when not knowing how serious it can be. After the program, I wondered how well the companies making condoms inform about the amount of content of rubber in condoms. My teaching kit includes a variety of condoms from the US, UK, Switserland, Denmark, Finland and span a period of 10-15 yrs. None of the packages (mostly from the 1980s) except the one from Switzerland included a mention about rubber, and even in that case, the amount of the rubber material was not indicated. The for three hours, I wondered around the apartment with a condom wrapped around my fingers and pondered whether the potency of this allergen is being reduced when it gets old... Yesterday, I contacted a physician friend of mine and learned that a company flyer has been just published and it illustrates the content of rubber in the most common brand condoms being used in Finland. I am looking for that flyer and will be willing to share the information if someone is interested --once I locate it. Is the content of rubber being printed on condom packages in the US? Is this a consumer item that has been forgotten or have I just failed to see your messages on the topic? The condoms are still being tested, but does the testing just continue to look for stregth and holes? In the FDA reports over a decade ago, the "poorly" prepared condoms with holes in them received attention. Do health educators who counsel potential contraceptive clients also talk about the potential rubber allergy and how seriously? How common is the allergy really and how often do you observe it in clientele? Following these programs, on the same night, there was a rather informative package about silicon children in Norway. I assume this is also known in the US, since the program featured interviews with US physicians and women who had had the problem. Ansa Ojanlatva Public health, U of Turku/Finland ------------------------------ #853 Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 07:07:09 -0500 From: "Mark J. Kittleson, Ph.D." Subject: promoting ourselves Folks, I think the comments that Ken Packer said about promoting ourselves is one of the best statements ever made on the HEDIR. I don't want to make this system into a sales network, but damn,we need to let each other know what we're doing. That was part of the reason I started the HEDIR Award...I want people to know what others in the profession are doing technology wise. We are in a unique situation where people from all aspects of health education can see what others are doing. We don't get that necessarily at conferences. Most of the people attending national conferences tend to be university people; practitioners tend to go to state meetings. Rarely do the two ever intermingle. The HEDIR gives that unique opportunity. We've seen it in our discussions where academicians and practitioners often have different perceptions. I'm not saying that either side is right or wrong, but we need to know what others are doing. Good point Ken. I would hope we would encourage hearing what people are doing to promote our profession...whether it be through a book, a program, or through other aspects. __________________________ Mark J. Kittleson, Ph.D. Owner and Founder, HEDIR Home Page: http://www.siu.edu/~kittle E-Mail Home Page: http://www.siu.edu/~kittle/HEDIR/Menu.html ------------------------------ #854 Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 21:42:00 EST From: cogs101w@WONDER.EM.CDC.GOV Subject: Marketing the CHES Credential FROM: Cosgrove, William TO:HEDIR-L@siu.edu SUBJECT: Marketing the CHES Credential DATE: 05-11-97 21:34 EST PRIORITY: R To All HEDIR Readers: The National Commission for Health Education Credentialing, Inc. (NCHEC) has recognized for some time a need to assist those who chose to enhance their degree with the Certified Health Education Specialist (CHES) certificate. The approach has been a threefold marketing strategy targeting: 1. The Prospective CHES 2. The Schools of Professional Preparation 3. The Prospective Employers of Health Educators Targets number 1 & 2 have been dealt with by providing simplified application procedures and processing, examination preparation materials, developing over one hundred campuses nationwide as testing centers, and assisting the schools with marketing materials to attract students to the CHES. Today, marketing materials are being developed to alert the prospective employers of health educators what the CHES is and of the value of hiring someone who possesses the certification. Soon, these materials will be disseminated to various groups of employers over an extended period. NCHEC is committing resources to address this most necessary step of marketing the CHES to employers and ultimately providing definition of what a health educator is to the workplace. William B. Cosgrove, MS, MPH, CHES Executive Director, NCHEC ------------------------------ #855 Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 09:17:56 -0500 From: "Michael J. Cuomo, MPH" Subject: Marketing CHES Dear List: I've been keeping up with the latest postings on this issue and I've been thinking...... I work with a team of social workers. Why is it that they, with their certification, seem protected from people at random calling themselves "social workers?" Is it because when they pay for their credentials, their credentialing body is interested in preserving their unique positions in the job market? In most (if not all) states, isn't is a violation of the law to claim to be a social worker if you do not hold the true credential? Why does it seem like the CHES people are less interested in this for us. Quite frankly, I have seen NO benefit in my CHES investment. It's pretty meaningless when most people ask "what's CHES mean?" I have a hard time giving them an answer, because I'm not sure anymore. But I do know what it SHOULD mean. It should mean that I have been certified as a health education specialist. And not just anyone can say that. Not just anyone can call themself a health educator. Not just anyone can do health education. And most of all I have an organization behind me that makes sure not anyone is calling themself a HE or attempting to do HE, nor taking jobs away from those of us who have invested hours and hours, years and years of dedicated time to Health Education. May if we all started to rethink this CHES thing. Why should we pay for a credential that doesn't seem to be working to preserve our position in the job market --- like other credentialing bodies do for their people. *\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\* Michael J. Cuomo, MPH, CHES, NCAC-II Health Educator/Substance Abuse Counselor Tulane Substance Abuse Clinic Student Health Center (Uptown) - Building 92 Tulane University New Orleans, Louisiana 70118-5698 PH: (504) 862-8120, ext. 236 FAX: (504) 865-5083 E-MAIL: mcuomo@mailhost.tcs.tulane.edu http://www.tulane.edu/~health/test.html */*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/* ------------------------------ #856 Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 12:17:38 -0400 From: TARIA BETTINA HERZ Subject: Houston and health education HEDIRs, I am going to be receiving my master's diploma next Wednesday from The Johns Hopkins School of Hygiene and Public Health in behavioral science and health education. Our HEDIR discussion of health educators and jobs occurs at a time when these issues are very true to me in my transition from student life to professional life. I fulfilled the field placement requirement for my degree as a NCI fellow at M. D. Anderson Cancer Center in Houston, Texas, and am now looking for a full-time job in Houston. I am finding that the few health and community education jobs I have found would not give me an opportunity to use the behavioral science theory and applicable intervention skills I have learned in graduate school. I am looking for an opportunity to apply and build upon what I learned at Hopkins, be challenged intellectually, and positively affect the health status and health behaviors of target populations through health education and interventions. I am open to any ideas or opportunities that would give me a chance to really challenge myself and make a difference. If you know of any opportunities, organizations, or people I could contact in the Houston area, I would appreciate it if you would please e-mail me at taria@welchlink.welch.jhu.edu Thank you so much! Taria Herz ------------------------------ #857 Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 11:53:28 -0700 From: Donna Holberg Kuttner Subject: The rubber discussion Ansa asked: Is the content of rubber being printed on condom packages in the US? Is this a consumer item that has been forgotten or have I just failed to see your messages on the topic? The condoms are still being tested, but does the testing just continue to look for stregth and holes? In the FDA reports over a decade ago, the "poorly" prepared condoms with holes in them received attention. Do health educators who counsel potential contraceptive clients also talk about the potential rubber allergy and how seriously? How common is the allergy really and how often do you observe it in clientele? ========= I do not know the current state of condom testing requirements in the USA. However, I do know that one can purchase condoms which are not FDA approved. I visited a condom shop in Seattle last week and bought a glow-in-the-dark condom which the shop keeper assured me had been approved by the FDA last year. However, the item I bought carried a disclaimer,"Sold as a novelty only not intended for the prevention of disease or for birth control." Interesting double message. We still live in a society where the buyer must beware. If one reads the fine print on concoms in the US one finds that they carry this disclaimer," Any use of concdoms for other than vaginal intercourse can increase the potential of damage to the condom." The Trojan Brand package I have at hand claims that "Each condom is electronically tested to help ensure reliability." The interesting thing about this particular package of condoms is that you have to tear the box apart to read the instructions for use. The package contains 12 condoms. To use one of them you have to destroy the container. A package insert would have been more useful. Donna Holberg Kuttner, PhD, CHES Corvallis, Oregon, USA dkuttner@proaxis.com ------------------------------ #858 Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 03:25:58 -0700 From: Isabel Burk Subject: info, materials Education Week 5/7/97 has 2 articles of note to health educators. Isabel 1--"Adventure Programs Found to Have Lasting, Positive Impact" This article details some of the posiitive effects of adventure programs, including problem-solving abilities, leadership skills, independence, and more. What is more, the study cited in this article, from the May Review of Educational Research (lead author, John Hattie), showed that while gains from many educational programs fade after programs end, the students who were involved in adventure-learning kept showing gains and improvement! ED Week, page 8. 2-Survey Finds Reforms Not Aiding At-Risk Pupils According to this author, who cites the Annie E. Casey Foundation, countless school reform efforts haven't contributed to those most at risk, an estimated 7.1 million children living in the poorest communities with dilapidated schools and supplies. In addition, a related box tells about a free publication, "Kids Count Data Book 1997", full of data, statistics and information about children and their health/educational status. For this free publication, write Annie E. Casey Foundation, 701 St. Paul Street, Baltimore MD 21202; phone: 410-547-6600 pr fax 410-547-6624. See the article in Ed Week, page 7. -- Isabel Burk, M.S., CHES The Health Network 914-638-3569 (fax)914-638-1928 iburk@mail.idt.net ------------------------------ #859 Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 15:46:25 -0600 From: Caile Spear Subject: internship guidelines We are in the process of developing guidelines for our health promotion and other departmental majors. Over the summer I would like to put a handbook together to present at our fall departmental retreat. My request of the list is for copies of what you have developed for your internships in your program. What do the students have to do, what are the guidelines for jobs, culminating project/paper, how many interships do you do? Right now we have a 1credit hour and a 3 credit hour, with 50 hours required for each hour of credit. The one hour is exploratory in nature to let the student observe a potential worksite over a period of time. Please forward any information to Caile E. Spear Dept. HPER Boise State University 1910 University Dr. Boise, ID 83725 Thank you ahead of time and I hope you have a great summer. ------------------------------ #860 Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 18:24:32 -0400 From: "Lea S. Dooley" Subject: Re: rubber and allergy I'm replying to both Ansa and the HEdir list on purpose because I believe this to be an important issue to all who are working in the HIV/STD prevention area, birth control options, etc..if you are not interested, please delete now. Ansa, I am one of two Health Educators who work for Condomania in NEw York City. We run workshops on New Technologies for educators, teach peer education models, and counsel clients on condom choice and options. Latex allergy is a growing problem here. Especially in light of HIV. We tell people that if they are "good" and "safe" then they are using condoms all the time, but if they are not, then they are "bad" and "unsafe". I have several client lists of people that were at their wits end with severe latex allergies and no where to turn. There are several options, though. The first would be Avanti. It's a polyurethane condom (plastic) for men that is put out by Londond Int'l Holdings (a division of Schmidt Labs). It has no latex in it and is udally the first choice for ppl with alergies. The second option is the Female Condom. This can be inserted vaginally or anally, and looks nothing like a condom. It is used most effectively by people in a stable relationship (it can be noisy, moves around a bit, takes some getting used to) and women who have used the diaphragm / cervical cap before. The insertion is a similar process. Finally, we suggest that depending on which partner has the latex allergy that you use a lambskin condom either over or under a latex condom. Further questions on Avanti can be answered by our web site http://www.condomania.com They have the dimensions and thickness, etc of the three condoms mentions. Hope that helps, anyone have any comments? Lea Dooley, MPH ------------------------------ #861 Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 18:34:04 -0400 From: "Lea S. Dooley" Subject: More on Condoms and the FDA I think I left a few things out.... I do not have a percentage of latex sensitive people, but I would say that I see about 25% of our clientele coming in for that reason (this must be skewed, many of these people seek us out for answers as to why this is happening tot hem) The hardest part about defiing a latex allergy is that the symptoms are often nearly the exact symptoms (for a women) as that of a allergy to spermicide. It's often spermicide and not latex that is the culprit. Condom packaging does not always have "spermicide" written on it, sometimes it's on the box but not the packaging, or the packaging says "Plus" which ALWAYS referrs to spermicide and NEVER to size. As for glow in the dark condoms, I think that's just common sense. The amount of chemicals they pump into those condoms to make them be able to glow int he dark would just rule them out of an fda test (and really, if you need light, turn on a lamp :) )but it is important to read the fine print. Putting comments like "any other use beyond vaginal for this condom will tear the condom) is out and out homophobia and that type of scare tactic cruelty sets my hair on end. That condom will be fine, add extra lubricant, 40% of Het couples report having at least tried anal intercourse at least once in their lives. As for the FDA and the amount of rubber in their condoms. W do not report it. What is reported is the amount/concentration of spermicide in the lubricant (you may not be sensitive to a concentration of 7% but a 12% will burn your skin) Perhaps if this continues to be a growing problem they will be forced to examine it, but wouldn't it be great if we came up with more condom/barrier methods so that you could just try something else? Lea Dooley, MPH ------------------------------ #862 Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 23:17:47 -0500 From: "Michael Pejsach, Ed.D., CHES" Subject: Re: Marketing CHES Michael, CHES is a certification, not a registration. Nurses and Social Workers have a registry in almost all states. In order for us to protect our turf, something that many health educators have fought against, because it "ain't very nice," or, "we're trying to get away from that kind of mind set," we need legislation to set up a registry, state by state. North Carolina has something close, but it's not legislated. State orgs can do it/facilitate it, with national orgs supporting and getting loud about it. No one (national orgs), however, seems to want to move on this issue. And the issue, ultimately, will probably be the one that either makes or breaks us as professionals. One of our goals, in Louisiana, via APHELA, the Association of Professional Health Educators of LA, is to move on this, going through our wonderful legislature (cash always helps) to get the legislation we need for a registry that we develop. I know that I'll probably die before I see it actually happen, but it's something we need to take care of as Health Educators. Maybe we're afraid, or fear that we can't work the legislative system? I can't believe that... Can't really figure out why national and state-level versions of our professional organizations haven't moved on this! APHELA is developing a health education direct-mail marketing piece (pamphlet, maybe video) as a first step. Gotta sell the idea of health education, and how they can do a better, more cost-effective job of disease prevention, risk reduction, and health promotion, with trained health educators. Thank goodness we don't have five professional orgnazations running around Louisiana, competing for their attention. They would really think we're wimpy if we simply didn't have the kind of focus the nurses and social workers have, working their way through the legislative system via one united professional presence! And a coalition, with its individual competing covert agendas, would make us look very weak. Suggestions? We're open to any and all input. Formative evaluation (feedback and revision?) is -very- health education. ------------------------------ #863 Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 09:22:00 +0100 From: Ansa Ojanlatva Subject: Re: rubber and allergy (To Lea, cc to others; I received a number of messages re: further information and if you wish, I will get further information and place it in HEDIR) Thank you, Lea for the informative message. The spermicide issue is another one I need to check on. It is a good idea to use lambskin condoms as a protection against allergy. How is the spermicide amount in them these days? Ansa. On Mon, 12 May 1997, Lea S. Dooley wrote: > I'm replying to both Ansa and the HEdir list on purpose because I believe > this to be an important issue to all who are working in the HIV/STD > prevention area, birth control options, etc..if you are not interested, > please delete now. > > Ansa, I am one of two Health Educators who work for Condomania in > NEw York City. We run workshops on New Technologies for educators, teach > peer education models, and counsel clients on condom choice and options. > Latex allergy is a growing problem here. Especially in light of HIV. We > tell people that if they are "good" and "safe" then they are using condoms > all the time, but if they are not, then they are "bad" and "unsafe". I > have several client lists of people that were at their wits end with > severe latex allergies and no where to turn. There are several options, > though. The first would be Avanti. It's a polyurethane condom (plastic) > for men that is put out by Londond Int'l Holdings (a division of Schmidt > Labs). It has no latex in it and is udally the first choice for ppl with > alergies. The second option is the Female Condom. This can be inserted > vaginally or anally, and looks nothing like a condom. It is used most > effectively by people in a stable relationship (it can be noisy, moves > around a bit, takes some getting used to) and women who have u