#44
Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 11:58:59 -0500
From: SHELLY MOORE <SMOORE.CARE1.CFH@CFHNYC.ORG>
Subject: Re: Salaries for Health Educators
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Hi All,
I would also be interested in seeing any information about salaries for health
educators. Thanks!
Shelly Moore, Senior Health Educator
Care for the Homeless
12 West 21st Street, NYC, NY 10010
(212) 366-4459
smoore@cfhnyc.org
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#45
Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 09:25:05 -0500
From: Colleen Mahoney <cmahoney@WADSNET.COM>
Subject: LIT REVIEW
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Well people seem to be all over the place in response to my comment =
regarding doctoral students hiring someone to write their dissertation =
lit review.
The issue of data analyses/interpretation was also raised by several. =
Again, I believe the student should do this with assistance/guidance =
from their faculty advisor (or another faculty member). =20
Some raised the issue that faculty advisors write, rewrite etc. for =
students. It is the role of the faculty member to guide the process and =
to assist the student in developing writing and analyses skills. The =
student should be actively involved in the process. The faculty member =
should not be actually writing for the student -- something that does =
happen due to frustration and pressures to get the student graduated =
(which is a whole different topic/discussion).
When it comes to doctoral students, aren't we suppose to be training =
independent researchers? When we publish, isn't it expected that we =
(along with co-authors) write our own articles and do our own data =
analyses and interpretation? I question the professional ethics of =
hiring someone to do that (now I know there are governmental and other =
organizations that hire research corporations for large scale projects =
which I believe is a different issue; and those corporations are always =
acknowledged).
I think back to my doctoral study. I can't imagine even being able to =
develop my research without having done my own literature search and =
writing my lit review/rationale. It was the result of =
inputting/analyzing/interpreting my data (thanks to the guidance and =
support of Sharon Desmond, one of my committee members) that helped me =
gain the necessary skills and confidence to be an independent =
researcher.
I rest my case and I appreciate the discussion. Colleen
Colleen Mahoney, Ph.D.
Owner, Mahoney Consulting Group
301 Windfall Lane
Wadsworth, OH 44281
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#46
Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 09:16:54 -0600
From: "Watts, Parris" <WattsP@APSU.EDU>
Subject: ASHA Sponsored Sessions
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The Health Educator Section of the American School Health Association is
pleased to remind all school health professionals that it would be glad to
receive proposals for sessions to be sponsored by that Section at the 76th
Annual ASHA School Health Conference to be held in Charlotte, North
Carolina, October 2-6. In order for a school health education-related
presentation to be sponsored by the Health Educator Section, it must be
received not later than Friday, February 15, 2002. The application form and
instructions for completing it can be found in recent issues of THE JOURNAL
OF SCHOOL HEALTH or at the ASHA Web site which can be accessed at
http://www.ashaweb.org
Please send presentation proposals, indicating on the application form that
you want the session to be considered for sponsorship by the Health Educator
Section, to:
Janet Long
116 Hawthorne Drive
Barrington, IL 60010
I hope that the response to this special invitation and reminder will be
good. The Health Educator Section looks forward to sponsoring several
outstanding sessions at the ASHA Conference in October.
Parris R. Watts, Dean
College of Graduate Studies
Austin Peay State University
Voice: (931) 221-7415
Fax: (931) 221-7641
E-mail: wattsp@apsu.edu
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#47
Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 09:52:59 -0600
From: "Mary A. Wyandt" <mwyandt@UARK.EDU>
Subject: Re: Fwd: Lit Review Job?
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I believe that we need to be cautious here and not lump ALL doctoral
students into one category! As a doctoral student, I find it very
rewarding to do my own work and am offended by assumptions made that
doctoral students are simply delegating portions of their dissertations to
be done by others. If being a doctoral student is so easy as to simply get
others to do your work, then why don't more people have doctorate degrees?
Doing doctoral work is not the equivalent of being a foreman who manages
others to do the work. But, excellent management skills are a necessity to
oversee the process that involves lots of literature to be reviewed,
setting personal goals and deadlines, writing and rewriting, and working
with several committee members and arranging for committee meetings when
appropriate.
As educators and mentors, I believe that we need to look at specific cases
and treat them accordingly rather than make blanket statements about
particular groupings of people.
Sincerely,
Mary A. Wyandt, MEd, CHES
Health Educator, University Health Center
Instructor, Health Science Department
PhD Student
At 02:52 PM 1/18/2002 -0800, Mark Fulop wrote:
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>Colleen wrote: ... I don't know about anyone else out there but I have real
>problems with a
>doctoral student hiring someone to write a portion of their dissertation.
>Having a librarian assist him with guidelines and databases for literature
>searches is another issue.<<<<<<<<
>
>====
>
>Colleen,
>
>I too thought it was interesting but then again, we don't think twice when
>we have doc students hire data entry folks, and number crunchers who run AND
>interpret statistics. Nor do we have problems with students turning a final
>draft over to a professional editor. What "job shopping" the lit review
>does is complete the loop. Doctoral work is no longer about a student's
>ability to do original research but is about a student's ability to manage a
>project with lots of subcontractors. The only expertise is to learn a
>product well enough to defend the conclusions. Oh, then hire graduate
>students to write peer reviewed publications : )
>
>Ain't academics grand?
>
>M
>------
>Mark P. Fulop, MA, MPH
>Director, National Mentoring Center
>Email: fulopm@nwrel.org
>Website: http://www.nwrel.org/mentoring
>
>Northwest Regional Educational Laboratory
>101 S.W. Main Street, Suite 500
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>(503) 275-0121 (p)
>(503) 275-0444 (f)
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Mary A. Wyandt, MEd, CHES Phone: 501-575-7252
Health Educator Fax: 501-575-7438
University Health Center E-mail: mwyandt@comp.uark.edu
University of Arkansas
600 Razorback Road "HAVE A NICE DAY" :=)
Fayetteville, AR 72701
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#48
Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 11:27:38 -0500
From: Yvonne Kristin Fulbright <ybomb@HOTMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: Fwd: Lit Review Job?
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Could somebody please send me the original job request? I have a friend who is
interested. Thank you!
Yvonne K. Fulbright, MS.Ed.
>From: "Mary A. Wyandt"
>Reply-To: "Mary A. Wyandt"
>To: HEDIR-L@SIU.EDU
>Subject: Re: Fwd: Lit Review Job?
>Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 09:52:59 -0600
>
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>
>I believe that we need to be cautious here and not lump ALL doctoral
>students into one category! As a doctoral student, I find it very
>rewarding to do my own work and am offended by assumptions made that
>doctoral students are simply delegating portions of their
>dissertations to
>be done by others. If being a doctoral student is so easy as to
>simply get
>others to do your work, then why don't more people have doctorate
>degrees?
>
>Doing doctoral work is not the equivalent of being a foreman who
>manages
>others to do the work. But, excellent management skills are a
>necessity to
>oversee the process that involves lots of literature to be reviewed,
>setting personal goals and deadlines, writing and rewriting, and
>working
>with several committee members and arranging for committee meetings
>when
>appropriate.
>
>As educators and mentors, I believe that we need to look at specific
>cases
>and treat them accordingly rather than make blanket statements about
>particular groupings of people.
>
>Sincerely,
>Mary A. Wyandt, MEd, CHES
>Health Educator, University Health Center
>Instructor, Health Science Department
>PhD Student
>
>
>
>At 02:52 PM 1/18/2002 -0800, Mark Fulop wrote:
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>>
>>Colleen wrote: ... I don't know about anyone else out there but I
>>have real
>>problems with a
>>doctoral student hiring someone to write a portion of their
>>dissertation.
>>Having a librarian assist him with guidelines and databases for
>>literature
>>searches is another issue.<<<<<<<<
>>
>>====
>>
>>Colleen,
>>
>>I too thought it was interesting but then again, we don't think
>>twice when
>>we have doc students hire data entry folks, and number crunchers
>>who run AND
>>interpret statistics. Nor do we have problems with students
>>turning a final
>>draft over to a professional editor. What "job shopping" the lit
>>review
>>does is complete the loop. Doctoral work is no longer about a
>>student's
>>ability to do original research but is about a student's ability to
>>manage a
>>project with lots of subcontractors. The only expertise is to learn
>>a
>>product well enough to defend the conclusions. Oh, then hire
>>graduate
>>students to write peer reviewed publications : )
>>
>>Ain't academics grand?
>>
>>M
>>------
>>Mark P. Fulop, MA, MPH
>>Director, National Mentoring Center
>>Email: fulopm@nwrel.org
>>Website: http://www.nwrel.org/mentoring
>>
>>Northwest Regional Educational Laboratory
>>101 S.W. Main Street, Suite 500
>>Portland, OR 97204
>>(503) 275-0121 (p)
>>(503) 275-0444 (f)
>>
>>** Advertise Jobs On The HEDIR
>>** http://www.hpcareer.net/hedir.cfm
>>**
>>** Check Your HEDIR Info...
>>** www.hedir.org/directory
>>**
>
>Mary A. Wyandt, MEd, CHES Phone: 501-575-7252
>Health Educator Fax: 501-575-7438
>University Health Center E-mail:
>mwyandt@comp.uark.edu
>University of Arkansas
>600 Razorback Road "HAVE A NICE DAY"
>:=)
>Fayetteville, AR 72701
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#49
Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 10:38:29 -0600
From: "Marjorie E. Scaffa" <mscaffa@JAGUAR1.USOUTHAL.EDU>
Subject: Re: LIT REVIEW
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I support Colleen on this issue. What ever happened to "learning by
doing"? Managing a research project and conducting independent research
require two different sets of skills. I believe doctoral students should
be able to do both by the time they graduate.
When I hire a doctorally prepared faculty member I assume that they have
conducted research with advising, not managed a research project conducted
by paid experts.
Marjorie Scaffa
On Tue, 22 Jan 2002, Colleen Mahoney wrote:
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>
> Well people seem to be all over the place in response to my comment regarding
doctoral students hiring someone to write their dissertation lit review.
>
> The issue of data analyses/interpretation was also raised by several. Again, I
believe the student should do this with assistance/guidance from their faculty
advisor (or another faculty member).
>
> Some raised the issue that faculty advisors write, rewrite etc. for students.
It is the role of the faculty member to guide the process and to assist the
student in developing writing and analyses skills. The student should be
actively involved in the process. The faculty member should not be actually
writing for the student -- something that does happen due to frustration and
pressures to get the student graduated (which is a whole different
topic/discussion).
>
> When it comes to doctoral students, aren't we suppose to be training
independent researchers? When we publish, isn't it expected that we (along with
co-authors) write our own articles and do our own data analyses and
interpretation? I question the professional ethics of hiring someone to do that
(now I know there are governmental and other organizations that hire research
corporations for large scale projects which I believe is a different issue; and
those corporations are always acknowledged).
>
> I think back to my doctoral study. I can't imagine even being able to develop
my research without having done my own literature search and writing my lit
review/rationale. It was the result of inputting/analyzing/interpreting my data
(thanks to the guidance and support of Sharon Desmond, one of my committee
members) that helped me gain the necessary skills and confidence to be an
independent researcher.
>
> I rest my case and I appreciate the discussion. Colleen
>
> Colleen Mahoney, Ph.D.
> Owner, Mahoney Consulting Group
> 301 Windfall Lane
> Wadsworth, OH 44281
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#50
Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 11:48:15 -0500
From: "Jones, Ellisa Lisako" <elisakoj@INDIANA.EDU>
Subject: Lit Review, etc.
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> Hello HEDIR Folks:
>=20
> Developing supportive relationships, and subsequently having access =
to
> folks who can help with the dissertation and other aspects of grad =
school
> (e.g., committee members, colleagues) is a part of the graduate =
education
> experience. Indeed, while I believe that the successful completion =
of an
> advanced degree is NOT a solitary endeavor, I agree with Dr. =
Mahoney's
> thoughts about the importance of personally undergoing the lit review
> process. Afterall it is the seminal part of the entire process! =
While
> the line might be fine, I see a difference between my asking someone =
with
> more stats skills than myself to sit alongside me and assisting me =
with
> the practical aspects of the analyses, versus having a research =
librarian
> do work without me alongside to experience the process - ESPECIALLY =
at the
> dissertation level.
>=20
> Then there is the issue of access. Despite efforts to level the =
playing
> field in terms of making higher education more accessible to others, =
the
> example of "farming out" critical segments on one's dissertation
> reintroduces a very unfair advantage to those more economically
> privileged. If I won some funding to support my dissertation, then =
I've
> already established its potential and value, and probably had to =
justify
> consultation expenses in the proposal. Somehow, It doesn't seem the =
same
> as paying someone at the beginning stage.
>=20
> Perhaps I'm splitting hairs :) I would welcome thoughts about this.
>=20
> What a scholar does post-doctorally, in terms of spreading out the
> research load is another matter. My experiences as a research =
assistant
> for various faculty members in several projects helped to shape my =
ideas,
> and to hone my skills in preparation for the dissertation. Even if =
the
> work was in an entirely different topic - the experience was (and =
still
> is) the critical piece. I've had undergraduate research assistants
> "help" me with projects. The time I spent to train them (with the =
lit
> review, stats analyses, etc.) ALSO contributed to my own development =
as a
> scholar. Indeed, sometimes it would have been more expedient for me =
to
> do the work myself. But I enjoyed the process AND seeing their eyes =
light
> when they "get it!" I am assuming that the same applies to big-time
> researchers with the bazillion dollar grants who do the same with =
their
> graduate assistants (or am I being na=EFve?). Somehow, it is not
> qualitatively the same as paying an "outsider" to do the work.
>=20
> Again, more hair splitting? Any thoughts?
>=20
> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *=20
> E. Lisako Jones, M.P.H.
>=20
> Research Associate & Survey Statistician
> Institute for Drug Abuse Prevention
> 2735 East Tenth Street, Room 110
> Bloomington, IN 47408-2602
>=20
> Ph.D. Student - Health Behavior
> Dept. of Applied Health Science
> Indiana University at Bloomington
>=20
> Office: (812) 855-1237
> Email: Elisakoj@indiana.edu
> Work URL: www.drugs.indiana.edu <www.drugs.indiana.edu>=20
> Personal URL: http://php.indiana.edu/~elisakoj
> <http://php.indiana.edu/~elisakoj>=20
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>=20
>=20
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#51
Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 13:59:15 -0500
From: Raffy Luquis <rluquis@PSU.EDU>
Subject: roommate wanted
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Hi HEDIR Land,
For those of you attending AAHPERD convention this year you have probably
notice how expensive are the hotels at San Diego. At this point I got a
reservation for a room at the Clarion Hotel Bay View (the cheapest of
all)... I have a reservation for single room, but will be willing to change
it to double if anyone (male) is interested in sharing. Please let me know
asap so I can make my final plans. I am planning to be there from April 10-14.
Looking forward to see many of you at San Diego.
Raffy
Raffy R. Luquis, Ph.D., M.S., CHES
Assistant Professor of Health Education
School of Behavioral Sciences and Education
W 319 Olmsted
Penn State Harrisburg
777 West Harrisburg Pike
Middletown PA 17057
(717) 948-6730
(717) 948-6209 (fax)
E-mail: rluquis@psu.edu
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#52
Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 18:42:25 -0600
From: "William B. Cissell" <william.b.cissell@CCAIX.JSUMS.EDU>
Subject: help with lit search does not equal writing the lit review
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Lit Review Writing Police:
It was suggested to me that I was defending a request to hire a person to write
the lit review for a dissertation. I went back and copied the exact working
of the request, and I am reposting here the key words, including the typo:
looking for someone, an experiences librarian or
researcher, to assist him with the lit. review for
his doctoral dissertation
I still contend that help with the lit. search is a far cry from writing the
lit review chapter in the dissertation.
Bill
dissertation
William B. Cissell, Ph.D., MSPH, CHES
Visiting Professor and Coordinator
Behavioral Health Promotion and Education
Department of Public Health
Jackson State University
350 W. Woodrow Wilson, Suite 320
Jackson, Mississippi 39213-7681
Ph 601-979-1137 Fax 601-368-2081
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#53
Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 22:40:03 -0500
From: nfb <nfb@GWU.EDU>
Subject: CHHCS News Alert: President Will Ask More Money for Health Service
Corps, Nursing Education
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CHHCS News Alert 01/22/02
President Will Ask More Money for Health Service Corps, Nursing Education:
The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services announced today that
President Bush's proposed budget for fiscal year 2003, which will go to
Congress later this month, will include a request for $191.5 million-a $44
million increase over this year-to strengthen the National Health
Service Corps...
Go to http://www.healthinschools.org/jan_alerts.asp#22 to read more.
Web Manager
The Center for Health and Health Care in Schools (CHHCS)
http://www.healthinschools.org/
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