#1158
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 08:47:31 -0800
From: Heather Clark <prccoord@PRC7.ORG>
Subject: FW: Campaign Discourages Smoking in Cars with Children
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What a great campaign!
Heather Clark
Prevention Resource Center
Region 7 Coordinator
405 West 28th Street
Bryan, TX 77803
(979)823-6496 or
1-888-PRC-TEXX
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October 30, 2002
Campaign Discourages Smoking in Cars with Children
A Hart County, S.C., coalition has launched a campaign to discourage
parents from smoking in their cars when children are present, the Anderson
Independent-Mail reported Oct. 26.
The Hart County Clean Air Coalition said the nine-month program is
designed to educate the public about the dangerous effects of secondhand
smoke.
According to Dr. Amrit Lal Swami, a public-health educator in Gainseville,
85 percent of the smoke from a single cigarette is released into the
atmosphere. Inside a car, toxins in cigarette smoke remain dense, creating
an even greater danger than a lit cigarette in a room.
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#1159
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 10:15:12 -0500
From: Iris Prager <prager.ij@PG.COM>
Subject: Iris Prager-IJ/PGI is out of the office.
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I will be out of the office from 11/01/2002 until 11/09/2002.
I will respond to your message when I return.
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#1160
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 11:14:50 -0500
From: Don Ardell <donardel@TAMPABAY.RR.COM>
Subject: Campaign Discourages Smoking in Cars with Children
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Heather--Here's info on another "great campaign!: (The press conference was
packed--a big success.)
TAMPA, FLORIDA 33629
TELEPHONE (813) 831-4567 or Patrick Reynolds (cell) 310-880-1111
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
October 31, 2002
--- R.J. REYNOLDS TOBACCO RENEGADE COMES TO TAMPA IN SUPPORT OF
THE SMOKE FREE AMMENDMENT -- SAYS PHILLIP MORRIS IS BIGGEST DONOR TO
REPUBLICANS! ---
Patrick Reynolds is coming to Tampa tomorrow, November 1, Friday for a 10 AM
press event at the Tahitian Inn Coffee Shop at 601 Dale Mabry Avenue. The
Tahitian Inn Coffee Shop, by the way, is 100% smokefree and the management
is supportive of Amendment 6. As a candidate for mayor who wants Tampa to
become America's first smoke-free city, I will be there in support of the
ammendment and of the work done by Mr. Reynolds.
"Phillip Morris is the biggest contributor to the Republican Party in this
election," says Reynolds, adding: "They're too smart to give millions of
dollars away for no reason. Governor Bush and the Legislature in
Tallahassee ignored past efforts to advance a 100% statewide smoking ban.
The differences between Bill Clinton and President Bush on tobacco are just
tremendous." Reynolds will give examples of this at his press conference in
Tampa with mayoral candidate Don Ardell, wellness promoter.
Patrick Reynolds was the first tobacco industry figure to turn his back on
the cigarette companies. A grandson of tobacco company founder RJ Reynolds,
he first spoke out publicly in 1986 at a Congressional hearing, in favor of
a ban on all cigarette advertising. Former US Surgeon General C. Everett
Koop commented, "Patrick Reynolds is one of the nation's most influential
advocates of a smokefree America. His testimony is invaluable to our
society." Mr. Reynolds testified again in Congress in 1987, joining the many
voices who helped bring about the present ban of smoking on all US domestic
flights.
Mr. Reynolds saw his father, oldest brother, and other relatives die from
cigarette induced emphysema and lung cancer. Concerned about the mounting
health evidence, he made the decision to go against the industry his family
helped build.
As a candidate for mayor seeking a "well city that is fit, fun, free and
functional," I support Mr. Reynolds heroic efforts and consider him the
Ralph Nader of the smoke-free movement in America. I wish he would run for
president!
Mr. Reynolds had this to say about Jeb Bush and the Republicans: "The
biggest donor to the Republican Party in this election is Phillip Morris,
and they’re too smart to give millions of dollars away for no reason. The
differences between Clinton and Bush on tobacco are 180 degrees on this
issue. Under Clinton, the Justice Dept filed a multi-billion lawsuit to
recover the Federal Govt's share of the damages already recovered by the
States. But President Bush's budget under funded the Justice Dept to
adequately pursue the suit -- and many say it will save Big Tobacco as much
as $100 million. How cheaply can the Republicans be bought by big business?"
"Clinton pushed for FDA regulation of Big Tobacco, but during the Bush
administation, the 5 Conservative justices on the Supreme Court voted to
leave FDA Regulation up to Congress, with the 4 liberals dissenting. That
was like letting the fox guard the henhouse," said Patrick Reynolds.
"Congress has done nothing substantial in 30 years to regulate the tobacco
industry. Not one law making it harder for kids to buy cigarettes, no
Federal workplace smoking law, no substantial tobacco tax increase, and no
laws limiting cigarette advertising."
"Clinton wanted to increase the Federal tax on cigarettes to $1 per pack, to
discourage teen smoking. Bush has ignored any effort to increase the Federal
cigarette tax.
"In Florida, Jeb Bush cut down the incredibly successful tobacco education
campaign, and ignored pleas for a Statewide smoking ban."
For more on Mr. Reynolds, go to: www.tobaccofree.org/tour.htm and/or
www.tobaccofree.org/press.htm
Related research for fact checking:
Tobacco Industry Political Power and Influence in Florida From 1979 to
1999 Executive Summary
http://www.library.ucsf.edu/tobacco/fl/execsumm.html
Philip Morris is the leading campaign contributor to Republicans in federal
elections during the 2001-02 election cycle, giving $2,666,163 (as of
October 2), according to a new report by the Center for Responsive Politics.
Philip Morris also gave $537,638 to Democrats during the 2001-02 cycle.
http://www.opensecrets.org/pubs/toporgs/appendix.asp (See No. 5 on this
page.)
Philip Morris has also been the leading overall campaign contributor to
Republicans in federal elections since 1989, giving $14,300,228. Political
giving by Phillip Morris since 1990:
http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/list.asp?Order=A&View=P
http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/summary.asp?ID=D000000067&Name=Philip+Morris
CONTACTS reccomended for fact checking, statistics and research:
Tim Filler, Americans for NonSmokers’ Rights
Office: (510) 841-3032
Elizabeth Lancet, Statistics officer, American Lung Association, National
Headquarters, NYC (212)315-8826
Ms. Lancet can provide studies which back up statistics.
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#1161
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 10:59:56 -0600
From: Lorelei Cropley <lcropley@UNO.EDU>
Subject: Friday joke posted by MP
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The "joke" posted by MP joke was completely inappropriate to be sent =
over a listserve. The "joke" is offensive . A person who challenges the =
appropriateness of a joke is usually faces the accusation of "lack of =
humour." So be it. I have no sense of humour about Alzheimer's disease =
or AIDS. I can only imagine most people in this field feel the same.=20
Perhaps the listserve should be used exclusively for professional =
matters.
Lorelei Cropley DrPH, CHES
Assistant Professor
Department of Human Performance and Health Promotion
University of New Orleans
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#1162
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 09:40:13 -0800
From: Jeff Schulz <j_w_schulz@YAHOO.COM>
Subject: I agree
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I would like to provide support for Lorelei's
comments. The joke was not only absent of humor but of
human decency as well. I encourage the rest of you to
send a message that this sort of behavior should NOT
be supported or allowed. All too often we choose to
ignore inappropriate behavior in hope that it will not
occur again. In this case I would hope that the
listserve administrator would take a stance. If this
is allowed, what will be next? Maybe next Friday we
could joke about the poor. Maybe the following week we
could laugh at the disabled. Speak up on this! Your
silence only indicates apathy.
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#1163
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 12:00:16 -0600
From: joe baker <jabaker@SIU.EDU>
Subject: Intriguing
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Perhaps we could censor the jokes; I'm curious though, should that be left
to the humorless?
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#1164
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 11:17:15 -0700
From: keleding <dingkele@ISU.EDU>
Subject: Re: I agree
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in my 2 cents I quote:
In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people
very angry and has been widely regarded as a bad move. ---- Douglas Adams
If we consider the superiority of the human species, the size of its brain,
its powers of thinking, language and organization, we can say this: were
there the slightest possibility that another rival or superior species might
appear, on earth or elsewhere, man would use every means at his disposal to
destroy it. ---Jean Baudrillard
Kele Ding
Health & Nutrition
Idaho State University
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To: <HEDIR-L@SIU.EDU>
Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 10:40 AM
Subject: I agree
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> I would like to provide support for Lorelei's
> comments. The joke was not only absent of humor but of
> human decency as well. I encourage the rest of you to
> send a message that this sort of behavior should NOT
> be supported or allowed. All too often we choose to
> ignore inappropriate behavior in hope that it will not
> occur again. In this case I would hope that the
> listserve administrator would take a stance. If this
> is allowed, what will be next? Maybe next Friday we
> could joke about the poor. Maybe the following week we
> could laugh at the disabled. Speak up on this! Your
> silence only indicates apathy.
>
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#1165
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 13:25:55 -0500
From: Valorie Nybo <nybo@EMAIL.WCU.EDU>
Subject: Re: I agree
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I certainly do not want my silence to indicate apathy. I agree the "jokes" were
misnamed and in my view inappropriate. I would in fact suggest that if people
wish to send jokes out a professional listserve is not the place to do it. I
have thought of any number of less charitable things to say, but, I shall
restrain myself.
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Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 12:40 PM
To: HEDIR-L@SIU.EDU
Subject: I agree
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I would like to provide support for Lorelei's
comments. The joke was not only absent of humor but of
human decency as well. I encourage the rest of you to
send a message that this sort of behavior should NOT
be supported or allowed. All too often we choose to
ignore inappropriate behavior in hope that it will not
occur again. In this case I would hope that the
listserve administrator would take a stance. If this
is allowed, what will be next? Maybe next Friday we
could joke about the poor. Maybe the following week we
could laugh at the disabled. Speak up on this! Your
silence only indicates apathy.
=====
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Associate Professor of Health Education
Dept of HPERD
319A Porter Education Building
Eastern Michigan University
Ypsilanti, MI 48197
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#1166
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 13:43:32 -0500
From: Raffy Luquis <rluquis@PSU.EDU>
Subject: jokes...
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For what it worth...here is view...
I received enough email as is to also have to read about whether or not it
is appropriate to send jokes to the listserve...are we forgetting the right
to freedom of speech? If we are limiting this listserve to only
professional topics....it may become to too boring....
Let me remind you that few years ago Andy used to send his Friday
inspiration and that became an issue so he stopped...I do not know about
other, but I miss reading those inspiring words...
Now when it comes to jokes...it was just a joke....I thought that humor is
a way to reliefs stress...I can always use a laugh once in
while....otherwise when I have not time to read jokes or do not like it...I
hit delete....enough said.
Raffy
Raffy R. Luquis, Ph.D., M.S., CHES
Assistant Professor of Health Education
School of Behavioral Sciences and Education
W 319 Olmsted
Penn State Harrisburg
777 West Harrisburg Pike
Middletown PA 17057
(717) 948-6730
(717) 948-6209 (fax)
E-mail: rluquis@psu.edu
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#1167
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 08:02:58 -0800
From: Nathan E CRAWFORD <Nathan.E.Crawford@STATE.OR.US>
Subject: What about passion?
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These big discussions about certification, etc seem to arise on this list once
or twice a year, but whatever happened to passion?! Many (not all) posts to this
discussion are talking about the importance of certification, and I recognize
the value of certification, credentialling, etc, but is that what health
education is all about? Are we nothing more than the sum of the letters at the
end of our names? I would take a person with passion about their work before a
person merely with a CHES, or any other certification. If we think we are who we
are because of the letters at the end of our name, we may not know who we really
are. Are we getting our certifications merely because we think they will prove
something about us, or are the certifications the result of work that is the
natural outflowings of the passion within us?
And for those who want to say, in effect that, "the world (or society) doesn't
let us," implying that we are trapped or that passion is not enough... whatever
happened to that internal locus of control? The world doesn't need to just
happen to us.
For what it's worth,
Nathan
Nathan Crawford, MPH, CHES
Public Health Educator, AFIX
Department of Health and Human Services
Office of Family Health
Nathan.E.Crawford@state.or.us
(These are what I have, not the definition of who I am)
>>> kbruce@UMBC.EDU 10/25/02 03:47PM >>>
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Just my opinion...
Kari
Will licenses to teach and/or certifications within content area
improve a child's education? In some cases yes, and others no. If a
teachers becomes certified in mathematics and in doing so picks up a few new
skills in the process, this teacher could improve the education of a
student. A rogue mathematics teachers who supplements his/her curriculum
with a different approach to geometry could be praised by a school board for
acting as an exemplary teacher and possibly receive rewards for his/her
efforts. A health educator, regardless of certification, who teaches
students about a new contraceptive method could be punished for their
effort. The questions of policy has little to do with certification or
licensing policies. We could have health educators or English teachers
teaching health education in schools, but the fact remains that the majority
of schools, in the areas of the country that have worst public health
problems, are strictly curriculum based. The English teacher and the health
educator who stray from the school's predetermined health education
curriculum suffer the same consequences. The policies that need to change
are school curricula and policies (most implicit) limit the health educators
opportunity to teach. Once the policies/content of school curricula begin
to shift and health educators are treated the same as a mathematics teacher,
then a health education certification will matter.
Currently, most school curricula use a knowledge based approach. Any
licensed teacher should be able to disseminate knowledge from the same book
that their students read. Health educators would be able to make a
difference if schools allowed educators to use attitudinal or behavioral
approaches. Considering the three types of approaches (knowledge,
attitudes, and behavior), knowledge is the most contextually specific. Once
a student leaves the classroom most of the knowledge of health education is
left in that classroom. In addition, most knowledge based approaches are
hierarchical. A teacher, in an authoritative role, tells the students the
facts, and students do not have the opportunity to contribute to the class.
Once a student shifts into an out of school context, a student contributes
to the knowledge base of his/her peer group (i.e., a context to contribute).
The peer context is the context in which most health education behaviors are
made, and where the attitudes toward many health behaviors is reified.
Without giving students an opportunity to express themselves in the
classroom, an environment in which a teacher could act as a facilitator or
advisor, many students only opportunity to be heard is with their
unsupervised peer group. Unless a student has internalized health values
from prior experience or parental involvement and/or has a positive health
peer group, then a student is left to figure out the world based on
experiential learning with a peer group. In the case of the rebellious
child, he or she will "behave badly". Behaving badly in the United States
involves using drugs, violence, and sexual activity. An overall cultural
shift needs to occur in which "behaving badly" is redefined. One way for
this to be accomplished is to normalize and to place into the
proper/representative the topics of violence, sex, and drug use. Changing
curricula content and allowing certified health educators to teach in an
open and accepting environment will help to facilitate this cultural shift.
The moralistic approaches that have been used in the United States have not
worked and will not work (e.g., prohibition and abstinence only sex
education programs). The disease model used frequently in health does not
and will not work either. To say that alcoholics, for example, are diseased
is quite a statement. People carry out behavior patterns based on a complex
history biology and the environment. A diseased person also needs the help
of an expert and does not have control (the disease has control). A change
needs to occur in health education curricula to include methods that help to
internalize locus of control. Effecting change in curricula and
administrative policy, in my opinion, needs to precede resolving the issue
of teacher certification.
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>Both Val and Bill (and others) have indicated teachers are indeed
>"licensed". Can't argue with that, BUT, we also must realize that there
>are so many loopholes at getting teachers 'certified' to teach in a public
>school. Few states (i.e., NC, ME) require a full-fledge degree in health
>to teach health. Most states just have a minimum certification (not just
>in health but in any topic). In addition, the schools have found a way to
>get those with absolutely no criteria to get 'licensed' to teach, thus
>negating the purpose of the 'license'.
>
>Case in point...my neighbor, nice fella, was hired by Carbondale as the
>basket ball coach. He also is "teaching" health. Not too many of us have
>a 'health educator' as a neighbor so as they are moving in our discussions
>go to work related matters. I asked him where he graduated from
>school...Ball State...."Ball State...great place. I know some great people
>there...Jim McKenzie?" "Aw, no, don't know him..." "How about Herb
>Jones?"..."Naw, never heard of him". Went through about 3 or 4 other
>names. Finally I asked, what did you major in? "Physical Education". I
>then asked "certainly you took some health courses?" "No, didn't need to."
>
>This person is teaching 2 or 3 sections of health at my kid's high
>school. The other health teacher, a legitimate health educator, is
>furious. The basketball coach gives out reading assignments each day, then
>gives a quiz.
>
>We've all seen this at our locations...athletics is more important than
>teaching. It hits hard with subjects like health, because the students get
>so little to begin with. So, yes, technically teachers need to be
>licensed/certified. But if you are really important, there's way to get
>around it.
>
>By the way, the way the schools get around it is that they petition the
>state for a 'provisional' certification. This provisional is good for five
>years and the person must make headway into moving into a more permanent
>status. BUT, they (the state) don't follow-up after those five years, and
>re-issue another provisional.
>
>Another important lesson why health educators need to get involved with
>their communities, voting, running for school board, raising hell with the
>poor quality educational system that has taken over the country.
>
>
>>From: Valorie Nybo <nybo@EMAIL.WCU.EDU>
>>Subject: Re: Teachers are "certified"
>>To: HEDIR-L@SIU.EDU
>>
>>
>>And at least in North Carolina you can be a certified teacher teaching
>>health and not even have a minor in school health.
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Cissell, William [WCissell@MAIL.TWU.EDU]
>>Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 6:29 PM
>>To: HEDIR-L@SIU.EDU
>>Subject: Teachers are "certified"
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>>HEDIRs Interested in the Licensure/Certification Thread:
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>>Nancy will probably be deluged with responses asserting that teachers are
>>certified in each state. In fact the teaching certificate is a license,
>>because the professional cannot teach without the "certificate." A
>>license is a credential required by law in order to
>>practice. Certificates are typically voluntary credentials that a
>>professional chooses to attain to demonstrate a particular standard of
>>competence.
>>
>>Bill Cissell
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#1168
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 13:02:10 -0600
From: Michael Pejsach <healthedman@COX.NET>
Subject: Friday joke posted by MP
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I will never shy away from a battle of wits..that is, unless the person is
unarmed, as sometimes is the case. Knowing little, if anything, about the
person on the other end of one's attack is a perfect example of being
unarmed. It's all about one's frame of reference.
I'm fighting mad and I take full responsibility for those feelings. I will
not throw up my hands and say, "I've had it," or, "You folks have no sense
of humor," as I'm sure a few manipulative types want. I'm in this for the
long haul...I will NOT go away. So there.
Now that we understand that, here goes:
A close friend, a psychiatric nurse, sent this to me (maybe she's nuts, I
dunno!). I sent it to my wife and she loved it EVEN THOUGH her mother died
in our house, with Alzheimer's here in Kenner, LA, long before Lorelei knew
what "Old-timer's" (what some folks around here call it) disease was. . We
suffered through her wandering, she suffered through our inexperience. We
loved her and hated her disease. We hated the system that treated her, and
we loved the physician who talked to us through this ordeal. We were in it,
in the thick of it all, and it was hard. We didn't give up, and we NEVER,
NEVER, NEVER gave up on our sense of humor. I'm not sure Karen and I
would've survived it all if we couldn't laugh at it all. Our Alzheimer
support group could've put a book of jokes together. Were they insensitive,
nasty. No. It helped us all get through it.
Our children handled it well. They learned important lessons. One lesson is
to laugh at the situation and at one's self. Taking yourself too seriously
puts more pressure than one probably needs when dealing with someone who
forgets who you are, or where they are. I'm glad my children know how to
look at all sides of a situation, including the humor of it all!
Working in the field doesn't compare to living it, so there!
I've lost friends to AIDs, several before anyone cared or noticed (because
they were gay), before it was PC or popular to take notice, and several
because of poor treatment. Those dear friends, I believe, are laughing with
me, because we knew how to laugh and did it often. It's fun and it's
healthy.
No one owns the issue and everyone has a right to have a perspective on it,
even with a joke. Those who attack, it seems to me, those 'PC" types, who
believe that there is only one way to deal with controversial issues (with a
scowl on their face, with forehead scrunched; "you're not allowed to kid
about that!") are a menace to us all. Where would "All In The Family" have
been if we didn't allow Archie to make jokes about all sorts of social
issues. These arrogant types who believe they own the HIV/AIDs issue and
find anything that doesn't suit them, related to HIV/AIDs, are our
"NEWSPEAK" generation. These "new speakers" want to control how we think,
what we eat, how we see issues, what we choose to do (unless, of course, it
is related to their interests), etc. It's a bit scary....because THEY know
better than you or I how to handle these sensitive issues.
One of my dear and close friends and colleague, a person who died with
serious complication (dementia and brain damage), wrote me just six months
prior to his death. He ended the the letter with a joke about his
predicament and condition and told me to "never take it too seriously, as
life is too short. Laugh at this and enjoy your life." I spoke with him soon
after getting his letter, and again he made a joke about AIDs. Maybe it was
the dementia. I don't think so. I believe it was his frame of reference and
perspective.
The response to me, personally, has been very positive ("I laughed out
loud," etc.). I only wish that the silent majority would speak out with
their opinions, letting those scrunched up forehead types know that they are
not opposed to humor as a way of dealing with issues. Please share your
comments made to me with the HEDIR and Health Promotion list. It's Okay,
everyone has a right to their opinion and ideas!
The HEDIR is a professional sounding board and everyone, including Lorelei,
has a right to speak out. I'm glad she did. However, those comments with
seemingly no substance (what about the joke offended you--a detailed
explanation instead a blanket statement), are attacks, and as such, should
be banned. Not a joke or the opportunity to send jokes!!!!
Wouldn't banning the open and free sharing of ideas, feelings...and, yes,
even a joke or two, be our way of giving in to those "newspeak" types who
want us all to behave and believe as they do. What are turning into?
On another note:
Have you noticed that it's the same person attacking? It's been said that
folks attack others for personal gain. Is that what's happening here?
A call could've been made, to talk it over...my number is local. Instead an
unsubstantiated statement, an attack....what's in it for the attacker?
What about the joke is offensive. This time I warned folks so I wouldn't
offend ANYONE. You didn't have to read it. I was attacked by the same
person for my 9-1-1 slides for failing to warn people about how explicit it
was (hey..those pictures were real, stop your denial!) ....give me a break!
What details about the joke are offensive? What would the attacker allow me
to joke about? Is there a list somewhere?
Also: If we use the joke I posted as a standard, wouldn't almost any joke
dealing with any issue, especially social issues, be offensive to someone?
Why can't we use humor to bring up and deal with issues?
Michael
Voice: (504) 779-KICK
Voice/fax: (504) 885-4254
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#1169
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 11:21:50 -0800
From: Robin Gray Ballard <GrayBallard_Robin@MONTEBELLO.K12.CA.US>
Subject: Re: Friday joke posted by MP
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Ok, Michael, I will reply to all. The only bad thing I can ever say about the
funny jokes sent on the list serv are all the people who feel compelled to
share their sense of outrage in numerous e-mails. Thankfully, I, unlike those
outraged folks, have not forgotten how to use my delete button and move on with
my life.
Robin GrayBallard
Michael Pejsach wrote:
> ** Texas A&M; Health and Safety Chair/Professor (11/21)
> ** <http://www.hpcareer.net/jobspage_univ.cfm>
> **
> ** The Leader in Health Education-AAHE
> ** The Exclusive Sponsor of the HEDIR
> ** <http://www.aahperd.org/aahe/template.cfm>
> **
>
> I will never shy away from a battle of wits..that is, unless the person is
> unarmed, as sometimes is the case. Knowing little, if anything, about the
> person on the other end of one's attack is a perfect example of being
> unarmed. It's all about one's frame of reference.
>
> I'm fighting mad and I take full responsibility for those feelings. I will
> not throw up my hands and say, "I've had it," or, "You folks have no sense
> of humor," as I'm sure a few manipulative types want. I'm in this for the
> long haul...I will NOT go away. So there.
>
> Now that we understand that, here goes:
> A close friend, a psychiatric nurse, sent this to me (maybe she's nuts, I
> dunno!). I sent it to my wife and she loved it EVEN THOUGH her mother died
> in our house, with Alzheimer's here in Kenner, LA, long before Lorelei knew
> what "Old-timer's" (what some folks around here call it) disease was. . We
> suffered through her wandering, she suffered through our inexperience. We
> loved her and hated her disease. We hated the system that treated her, and
> we loved the physician who talked to us through this ordeal. We were in it,
> in the thick of it all, and it was hard. We didn't give up, and we NEVER,
> NEVER, NEVER gave up on our sense of humor. I'm not sure Karen and I
> would've survived it all if we couldn't laugh at it all. Our Alzheimer
> support group could've put a book of jokes together. Were they insensitive,
> nasty. No. It helped us all get through it.
>
> Our children handled it well. They learned important lessons. One lesson is
> to laugh at the situation and at one's self. Taking yourself too seriously
> puts more pressure than one probably needs when dealing with someone who
> forgets who you are, or where they are. I'm glad my children know how to
> look at all sides of a situation, including the humor of it all!
>
> Working in the field doesn't compare to living it, so there!
>
> I've lost friends to AIDs, several before anyone cared or noticed (because
> they were gay), before it was PC or popular to take notice, and several
> because of poor treatment. Those dear friends, I believe, are laughing with
> me, because we knew how to laugh and did it often. It's fun and it's
> healthy.
>
> No one owns the issue and everyone has a right to have a perspective on it,
> even with a joke. Those who attack, it seems to me, those 'PC" types, who
> believe that there is only one way to deal with controversial issues (with a
> scowl on their face, with forehead scrunched; "you're not allowed to kid
> about that!") are a menace to us all. Where would "All In The Family" have
> been if we didn't allow Archie to make jokes about all sorts of social
> issues. These arrogant types who believe they own the HIV/AIDs issue and
> find anything that doesn't suit them, related to HIV/AIDs, are our
> "NEWSPEAK" generation. These "new speakers" want to control how we think,
> what we eat, how we see issues, what we choose to do (unless, of course, it
> is related to their interests), etc. It's a bit scary....because THEY know
> better than you or I how to handle these sensitive issues.
>
> One of my dear and close friends and colleague, a person who died with
> serious complication (dementia and brain damage), wrote me just six months
> prior to his death. He ended the the letter with a joke about his
> predicament and condition and told me to "never take it too seriously, as
> life is too short. Laugh at this and enjoy your life." I spoke with him soon
> after getting his letter, and again he made a joke about AIDs. Maybe it was
> the dementia. I don't think so. I believe it was his frame of reference and
> perspective.
>
> The response to me, personally, has been very positive ("I laughed out
> loud," etc.). I only wish that the silent majority would speak out with
> their opinions, letting those scrunched up forehead types know that they are
> not opposed to humor as a way of dealing with issues. Please share your
> comments made to me with the HEDIR and Health Promotion list. It's Okay,
> everyone has a right to their opinion and ideas!
>
> The HEDIR is a professional sounding board and everyone, including Lorelei,
> has a right to speak out. I'm glad she did. However, those comments with
> seemingly no substance (what about the joke offended you--a detailed
> explanation instead a blanket statement), are attacks, and as such, should
> be banned. Not a joke or the opportunity to send jokes!!!!
>
> Wouldn't banning the open and free sharing of ideas, feelings...and, yes,
> even a joke or two, be our way of giving in to those "newspeak" types who
> want us all to behave and believe as they do. What are turning into?
>
> On another note:
> Have you noticed that it's the same person attacking? It's been said that
> folks attack others for personal gain. Is that what's happening here?
> A call could've been made, to talk it over...my number is local. Instead an
> unsubstantiated statement, an attack....what's in it for the attacker?
>
> What about the joke is offensive. This time I warned folks so I wouldn't
> offend ANYONE. You didn't have to read it. I was attacked by the same
> person for my 9-1-1 slides for failing to warn people about how explicit it
> was (hey..those pictures were real, stop your denial!) ....give me a break!
> What details about the joke are offensive? What would the attacker allow me
> to joke about? Is there a list somewhere?
>
> Also: If we use the joke I posted as a standard, wouldn't almost any joke
> dealing with any issue, especially social issues, be offensive to someone?
> Why can't we use humor to bring up and deal with issues?
>
> Michael
> Voice: (504) 779-KICK
> Voice/fax: (504) 885-4254
>
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#1170
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 14:23:39 EST
From: "Alice R. McCarthy" <BridgeComm@AOL.COM>
Subject: Certification Discussion
** Texas A&M; Health and Safety Chair/Professor (11/21)
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I agree with you, Kari Bruce, that Health Educators need to follow the state
regulations regarding what they can teach in health education; but we need to
stand up for what we believe also. How many times I have testified in
hearings related to the Michigan Model for Comprehensive School Health that
it is helpful to teach problem solving! Yet, I believe that a teacher who
has training in the curriculum in use is going to make a real difference in
attitudes and behavior if he/she will listen carefully to student responses,
provide feedback, provide ample opportunity for students to be heard, have
students interact in small learning groups, and produce their own research.
She/he also needs to be respectful of learning styles and abilities.
I wrote Health 'n Me for students in K-6 and I know teachers have a good deal
of freedom to use the curriculum as written or to improvise because we have
positive responses when we asked how teachers were using the curriculum.
Here in the county where Health 'n Me is used heavily, teachers have trainers
in the curriculum and that makes a real difference. Teachers or professors
can contact me for further information and curriculum review samples.
Sincerely,
Alice R. McCarthy, Ph.D.
President
Bridge Communications Inc.
1450 Pilgrim Road
Birmingham, MI 48009
Bridgecomm@aol.com
(248)646-1020
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#1171
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 14:26:14 -0500
From: Georgia Johnston <georgianlj@NETSCAPE.NET>
Subject: <No subject given>
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Michael: thanks for the voice of reason and the humor. Its an old joke but
funny. I agree, life is too short to lose one's sense of humor. I'm tired of all
the blithering and whining about what's correct and what's not. We as health
educators deal with difficult situations and deadly diseases. Often, humor is
the only medium available for coping. As has been said often on this list-serve:
use your delete button if you don't like what you read. Comment, but personal
attacks are really not appropriate.
Georgia Johnston
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#1172
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 11:36:05 -0800
From: Chari Jornada <CJornada@UNIVERSALCARE.COM>
Subject: Re: Friday joke posted by MP
** Texas A&M; Health and Safety Chair/Professor (11/21)
** <http://www.hpcareer.net/jobspage_univ.cfm>
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Please. This is ridiculous. Stop filling my inbox with this junk. Let us
leave this list serve for the vision of a professional exchange of
information from peer health educators.
Chari Jornada Tsai, MPH, CHES
Manager, Health Education
Universal Care
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Pejsach [mailto:healthedman@COX.NET]
Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 11:02 AM
To: HEDIR-L@SIU.EDU
Subject: Friday joke posted by MP
** Texas A&M; Health and Safety Chair/Professor (11/21)
** <http://www.hpcareer.net/jobspage_univ.cfm>
**
** The Leader in Health Education-AAHE
** The Exclusive Sponsor of the HEDIR
** <http://www.aahperd.org/aahe/template.cfm>
**
I will never shy away from a battle of wits..that is, unless the person is
unarmed, as sometimes is the case. Knowing little, if anything, about the
person on the other end of one's attack is a perfect example of being
unarmed. It's all about one's frame of reference.
I'm fighting mad and I take full responsibility for those feelings. I will
not throw up my hands and say, "I've had it," or, "You folks have no sense
of humor," as I'm sure a few manipulative types want. I'm in this for the
long haul...I will NOT go away. So there.
Now that we understand that, here goes:
A close friend, a psychiatric nurse, sent this to me (maybe she's nuts, I
dunno!). I sent it to my wife and she loved it EVEN THOUGH her mother died
in our house, with Alzheimer's here in Kenner, LA, long before Lorelei knew
what "Old-timer's" (what some folks around here call it) disease was. . We
suffered through her wandering, she suffered through our inexperience. We
loved her and hated her disease. We hated the system that treated her, and
we loved the physician who talked to us through this ordeal. We were in it,
in the thick of it all, and it was hard. We didn't give up, and we NEVER,
NEVER, NEVER gave up on our sense of humor. I'm not sure Karen and I
would've survived it all if we couldn't laugh at it all. Our Alzheimer
support group could've put a book of jokes together. Were they insensitive,
nasty. No. It helped us all get through it.
Our children handled it well. They learned important lessons. One lesson is
to laugh at the situation and at one's self. Taking yourself too seriously
puts more pressure than one probably needs when dealing with someone who
forgets who you are, or where they are. I'm glad my children know how to
look at all sides of a situation, including the humor of it all!
Working in the field doesn't compare to living it, so there!
I've lost friends to AIDs, several before anyone cared or noticed (because
they were gay), before it was PC or popular to take notice, and several
because of poor treatment. Those dear friends, I believe, are laughing with
me, because we knew how to laugh and did it often. It's fun and it's
healthy.
No one owns the issue and everyone has a right to have a perspective on it,
even with a joke. Those who attack, it seems to me, those 'PC" types, who
believe that there is only one way to deal with controversial issues (with a
scowl on their face, with forehead scrunched; "you're not allowed to kid
about that!") are a menace to us all. Where would "All In The Family" have
been if we didn't allow Archie to make jokes about all sorts of social
issues. These arrogant types who believe they own the HIV/AIDs issue and
find anything that doesn't suit them, related to HIV/AIDs, are our
"NEWSPEAK" generation. These "new speakers" want to control how we think,
what we eat, how we see issues, what we choose to do (unless, of course, it
is related to their interests), etc. It's a bit scary....because THEY know
better than you or I how to handle these sensitive issues.
One of my dear and close friends and colleague, a person who died with
serious complication (dementia and brain damage), wrote me just six months
prior to his death. He ended the the letter with a joke about his
predicament and condition and told me to "never take it too seriously, as
life is too short. Laugh at this and enjoy your life." I spoke with him soon
after getting his letter, and again he made a joke about AIDs. Maybe it was
the dementia. I don't think so. I believe it was his frame of reference and
perspective.
The response to me, personally, has been very positive ("I laughed out
loud," etc.). I only wish that the silent majority would speak out with
their opinions, letting those scrunched up forehead types know that they are
not opposed to humor as a way of dealing with issues. Please share your
comments made to me with the HEDIR and Health Promotion list. It's Okay,
everyone has a right to their opinion and ideas!
The HEDIR is a professional sounding board and everyone, including Lorelei,
has a right to speak out. I'm glad she did. However, those comments with
seemingly no substance (what about the joke offended you--a detailed
explanation instead a blanket statement), are attacks, and as such, should
be banned. Not a joke or the opportunity to send jokes!!!!
Wouldn't banning the open and free sharing of ideas, feelings...and, yes,
even a joke or two, be our way of giving in to those "newspeak" types who
want us all to behave and believe as they do. What are turning into?
On another note:
Have you noticed that it's the same person attacking? It's been said that
folks attack others for personal gain. Is that what's happening here?
A call could've been made, to talk it over...my number is local. Instead an
unsubstantiated statement, an attack....what's in it for the attacker?
What about the joke is offensive. This time I warned folks so I wouldn't
offend ANYONE. You didn't have to read it. I was attacked by the same
person for my 9-1-1 slides for failing to warn people about how explicit it
was (hey..those pictures were real, stop your denial!) ....give me a break!
What details about the joke are offensive? What would the attacker allow me
to joke about? Is there a list somewhere?
Also: If we use the joke I posted as a standard, wouldn't almost any joke
dealing with any issue, especially social issues, be offensive to someone?
Why can't we use humor to bring up and deal with issues?
Michael
Voice: (504) 779-KICK
Voice/fax: (504) 885-4254
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#1173
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 14:47:08 -0500
From: "Blosser, Lisa" <LBlosser@ASPENSYS.COM>
Subject: Re: Friday joke posted by MP
** Texas A&M; Health and Safety Chair/Professor (11/21)
** <http://www.hpcareer.net/jobspage_univ.cfm>
**
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** The Exclusive Sponsor of the HEDIR
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**
Michael,
I'm not afraid to say it...I thought your joke was really funny. It cracked
me up. And I agree with your e-mail reply as well. Far too often in life
I've looked back and wondered why I didn't laugh more. I think it's an
excellent coping mechanism when we are in the trenches. It doesn't belittle
the gravity of any diseases for me. (Although I do think taking yourself too
seriously should be counted as a disorder, and I speak from experience). I
do, also, miss the Friday inspirations. They were a great way to end the
week, and I wish we had them back. Inspirations and jokes, especially those
related to our field...I can't think of a better addition to my Friday.
Thanks! Now everyone can delete my e-mail, because they have that
freedom....
Lisa
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Pejsach [mailto:healthedman@COX.NET]
Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 2:02 PM
To: HEDIR-L@SIU.EDU
Subject: Friday joke posted by MP
** Texas A&M; Health and Safety Chair/Professor (11/21)
** <http://www.hpcareer.net/jobspage_univ.cfm>
**
** The Leader in Health Education-AAHE
** The Exclusive Sponsor of the HEDIR
** <http://www.aahperd.org/aahe/template.cfm>
**
I will never shy away from a battle of wits..that is, unless the person is
unarmed, as sometimes is the case. Knowing little, if anything, about the
person on the other end of one's attack is a perfect example of being
unarmed. It's all about one's frame of reference.
I'm fighting mad and I take full responsibility for those feelings. I will
not throw up my hands and say, "I've had it," or, "You folks have no sense
of humor," as I'm sure a few manipulative types want. I'm in this for the
long haul...I will NOT go away. So there.
Now that we understand that, here goes:
A close friend, a psychiatric nurse, sent this to me (maybe she's nuts, I
dunno!). I sent it to my wife and she loved it EVEN THOUGH her mother died
in our house, with Alzheimer's here in Kenner, LA, long before Lorelei knew
what "Old-timer's" (what some folks around here call it) disease was. . We
suffered through her wandering, she suffered through our inexperience. We
loved her and hated her disease. We hated the system that treated her, and
we loved the physician who talked to us through this ordeal. We were in it,
in the thick of it all, and it was hard. We didn't give up, and we NEVER,
NEVER, NEVER gave up on our sense of humor. I'm not sure Karen and I
would've survived it all if we couldn't laugh at it all. Our Alzheimer
support group could've put a book of jokes together. Were they insensitive,
nasty. No. It helped us all get through it.
Our children handled it well. They learned important lessons. One lesson is
to laugh at the situation and at one's self. Taking yourself too seriously
puts more pressure than one probably needs when dealing with someone who
forgets who you are, or where they are. I'm glad my children know how to
look at all sides of a situation, including the humor of it all!
Working in the field doesn't compare to living it, so there!
I've lost friends to AIDs, several before anyone cared or noticed (because
they were gay), before it was PC or popular to take notice, and several
because of poor treatment. Those dear friends, I believe, are laughing with
me, because we knew how to laugh and did it often. It's fun and it's
healthy.
No one owns the issue and everyone has a right to have a perspective on it,
even with a joke. Those who attack, it seems to me, those 'PC" types, who
believe that there is only one way to deal with controversial issues (with a
scowl on their face, with forehead scrunched; "you're not allowed to kid
about that!") are a menace to us all. Where would "All In The Family" have
been if we didn't allow Archie to make jokes about all sorts of social
issues. These arrogant types who believe they own the HIV/AIDs issue and
find anything that doesn't suit them, related to HIV/AIDs, are our
"NEWSPEAK" generation. These "new speakers" want to control how we think,
what we eat, how we see issues, what we choose to do (unless, of course, it
is related to their interests), etc. It's a bit scary....because THEY know
better than you or I how to handle these sensitive issues.
One of my dear and close friends and colleague, a person who died with
serious complication (dementia and brain damage), wrote me just six months
prior to his death. He ended the the letter with a joke about his
predicament and condition and told me to "never take it too seriously, as
life is too short. Laugh at this and enjoy your life." I spoke with him soon
after getting his letter, and again he made a joke about AIDs. Maybe it was
the dementia. I don't think so. I believe it was his frame of reference and
perspective.
The response to me, personally, has been very positive ("I laughed out
loud," etc.). I only wish that the silent majority would speak out with
their opinions, letting those scrunched up forehead types know that they are
not opposed to humor as a way of dealing with issues. Please share your
comments made to me with the HEDIR and Health Promotion list. It's Okay,
everyone has a right to their opinion and ideas!
The HEDIR is a professional sounding board and everyone, including Lorelei,
has a right to speak out. I'm glad she did. However, those comments with
seemingly no substance (what about the joke offended you--a detailed
explanation instead a blanket statement), are attacks, and as such, should
be banned. Not a joke or the opportunity to send jokes!!!!
Wouldn't banning the open and free sharing of ideas, feelings...and, yes,
even a joke or two, be our way of giving in to those "newspeak" types who
want us all to behave and believe as they do. What are turning into?
On another note:
Have you noticed that it's the same person attacking? It's been said that
folks attack others for personal gain. Is that what's happening here?
A call could've been made, to talk it over...my number is local. Instead an
unsubstantiated statement, an attack....what's in it for the attacker?
What about the joke is offensive. This time I warned folks so I wouldn't
offend ANYONE. You didn't have to read it. I was attacked by the same
person for my 9-1-1 slides for failing to warn people about how explicit it
was (hey..those pictures were real, stop your denial!) ....give me a break!
What details about the joke are offensive? What would the attacker allow me
to joke about? Is there a list somewhere?
Also: If we use the joke I posted as a standard, wouldn't almost any joke
dealing with any issue, especially social issues, be offensive to someone?
Why can't we use humor to bring up and deal with issues?
Michael
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#1174
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 12:09:29 -0800
From: Andrew Jenkins <jenkinsa@CWU.EDU>
Subject: Healthful humor
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Michael wrote:
>>The response to me, personally, has been very positive ("I laughed out
loud," etc.). I only wish that the silent majority would speak out with
their opinions, letting those scrunched up forehead types know that they are
not opposed to humor as a way of dealing with issues. Please share your
comments made to me with the HEDIR and Health Promotion list. It's Okay,
everyone has a right to their opinion and ideas! <<
Ok, Michael, I'll speak out in support of humor on the HEDIR. It's entirely
appropriate in this venue.!
Over the years we've seen a large variety of posts and I feel virtually all of
them belong here. I can't imagine why anyone would ever read all the posts, nor
why anyone would ever presume that they alone were qualified to judge the
appropriateness of the posts for the rest of the 1,600 on the list.
That said, I think it's important that we all agree to properly label our posts
in the subject line so that uninterested parties can simply delete them. For
some folks, just the volume of mail causes them problems¯perhaps they should
withdraw their names from the list until the reach a quieter time in their
lives.
Regarding humor and health.
The best jokes I've ever heard regarding diseases are from those afflicted with
them. I'm thinking of women with breast cancer, for instance. Most of the
stronger gals I know have survived the hair loss effects of chemotherapy by
joking about their baldness; they've soothed their own feelings about the loss
of their breast(s) through wisecracks. Sure, for some it's a cover up of hurt
feelings, a show of bravado but what would you ask them to do? Often they have
to chose between crying or laughing.
As an EMT I've used humor to diffuse tension and to cope with the "uncopable
"situations I've been involved in. As a survivor of my own traumas both physical
and psychological, I've used humor to find the strength to move on and not
become a hopeless victim of my circumstances. I find it ESPECIALLY important to
use humor when things are particularly hopeless. Sometimes your humor is all you
have left and thank heavens no disease, situation, or malevolent tormentor can
take that from you unless you voluntarily hand it over to them.
The thing I've never witnessed is someone, particularly a health professional or
health educator, purposely make a joke about a disease or affliction with intent
to hurt, offend, and damage the psyche of a person suffering from the disease.
To imply otherwise and to attack a person for any unintended harm is to act
intentionally maliciously.
Andy J :{)
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#1175
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 14:10:53 -0600
From: Wendy Cameron <wcameron@CO.PEORIA.IL.US>
Subject: Re: Friday joke posted by MP
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Ditto what Michael said!
:)
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Pejsach [SMTP:healthedman@COX.NET]
Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 1:02 PM
To: HEDIR-L@SIU.EDU
Subject: Friday joke posted by MP
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I will never shy away from a battle of wits..that is, unless the person is
unarmed, as sometimes is the case. Knowing little, if anything, about the
person on the other end of one's attack is a perfect example of being
unarmed. It's all about one's frame of reference.
I'm fighting mad and I take full responsibility for those feelings. I will
not throw up my hands and say, "I've had it," or, "You folks have no sense
of humor," as I'm sure a few manipulative types want. I'm in this for the
long haul...I will NOT go away. So there.
Now that we understand that, here goes:
A close friend, a psychiatric nurse, sent this to me (maybe she's nuts, I
dunno!). I sent it to my wife and she loved it EVEN THOUGH her mother died
in our house, with Alzheimer's here in Kenner, LA, long before Lorelei knew
what "Old-timer's" (what some folks around here call it) disease was. . We
suffered through her wandering, she suffered through our inexperience. We
loved her and hated her disease. We hated the system that treated her, and
we loved the physician who talked to us through this ordeal. We were in it,
in the thick of it all, and it was hard. We didn't give up, and we NEVER,
NEVER, NEVER gave up on our sense of humor. I'm not sure Karen and I
would've survived it all if we couldn't laugh at it all. Our Alzheimer
support group could've put a book of jokes together. Were they insensitive,
nasty. No. It helped us all get through it.
Our children handled it well. They learned important lessons. One lesson is
to laugh at the situation and at one's self. Taking yourself too seriously
puts more pressure than one probably needs when dealing with someone who
forgets who you are, or where they are. I'm glad my children know how to
look at all sides of a situation, including the humor of it all!
Working in the field doesn't compare to living it, so there!
I've lost friends to AIDs, several before anyone cared or noticed (because
they were gay), before it was PC or popular to take notice, and several
because of poor treatment. Those dear friends, I believe, are laughing with
me, because we knew how to laugh and did it often. It's fun and it's
healthy.
No one owns the issue and everyone has a right to have a perspective on it,
even with a joke. Those who attack, it seems to me, those 'PC" types, who
believe that there is only one way to deal with controversial issues (with a
scowl on their face, with forehead scrunched; "you're not allowed to kid
about that!") are a menace to us all. Where would "All In The Family" have
been if we didn't allow Archie to make jokes about all sorts of social
issues. These arrogant types who believe they own the HIV/AIDs issue and
find anything that doesn't suit them, related to HIV/AIDs, are our
"NEWSPEAK" generation. These "new speakers" want to control how we think,
what we eat, how we see issues, what we choose to do (unless, of course, it
is related to their interests), etc. It's a bit scary....because THEY know
better than you or I how to handle these sensitive issues.
One of my dear and close friends and colleague, a person who died with
serious complication (dementia and brain damage), wrote me just six months
prior to his death. He ended the the letter with a joke about his
predicament and condition and told me to "never take it too seriously, as
life is too short. Laugh at this and enjoy your life." I spoke with him soon
after getting his letter, and again he made a joke about AIDs. Maybe it was
the dementia. I don't think so. I believe it was his frame of reference and
perspective.
The response to me, personally, has been very positive ("I laughed out
loud," etc.). I only wish that the silent majority would speak out with
their opinions, letting those scrunched up forehead types know that they are
not opposed to humor as a way of dealing with issues. Please share your
comments made to me with the HEDIR and Health Promotion list. It's Okay,
everyone has a right to their opinion and ideas!
The HEDIR is a professional sounding board and everyone, including Lorelei,
has a right to speak out. I'm glad she did. However, those comments with
seemingly no substance (what about the joke offended you--a detailed
explanation instead a blanket statement), are attacks, and as such, should
be banned. Not a joke or the opportunity to send jokes!!!!
Wouldn't banning the open and free sharing of ideas, feelings...and, yes,
even a joke or two, be our way of giving in to those "newspeak" types who
want us all to behave and believe as they do. What are turning into?
On another note:
Have you noticed that it's the same person attacking? It's been said that
folks attack others for personal gain. Is that what's happening here?
A call could've been made, to talk it over...my number is local. Instead an
unsubstantiated statement, an attack....what's in it for the attacker?
What about the joke is offensive. This time I warned folks so I wouldn't
offend ANYONE. You didn't have to read it. I was attacked by the same
person for my 9-1-1 slides for failing to warn people about how explicit it
was (hey..those pictures were real, stop your denial!) ....give me a break!
What details about the joke are offensive? What would the attacker allow me
to joke about? Is there a list somewhere?
Also: If we use the joke I posted as a standard, wouldn't almost any joke
dealing with any issue, especially social issues, be offensive to someone?
Why can't we use humor to bring up and deal with issues?
Michael
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#1176
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 14:32:58 -0600
From: Kelley Roy M <kelley.roy@UWLAX.EDU>
Subject: Re: Healthful humor
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Well said Andy.
R. Mark Kelley, Ph.D.
Associate Professor & Interim Chair
Department of Health Education and Health Promotion
Director, School Health Education graduate program
205 Mitchell Hall
La Crosse, WI 54601
608-785-6791
608-785-6792(fax)
kelley.roy@uwlax.edu
http://www.uwlax.edu/faculty/kelley/
-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew Jenkins [mailto:jenkinsa@CWU.EDU]
Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 2:09 PM
To: HEDIR-L@SIU.EDU
Subject: Healthful humor
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Michael wrote:
>>The response to me, personally, has been very positive ("I laughed out
loud," etc.). I only wish that the silent majority would speak out with
their opinions, letting those scrunched up forehead types know that they are
not opposed to humor as a way of dealing with issues. Please share your
comments made to me with the HEDIR and Health Promotion list. It's Okay,
everyone has a right to their opinion and ideas! <<
Ok, Michael, I'll speak out in support of humor on the HEDIR. It's entirely
appropriate in this venue.!
Over the years we've seen a large variety of posts and I feel virtually all of
them belong here. I can't imagine why anyone would ever read all the posts, nor
why anyone would ever presume that they alone were qualified to judge the
appropriateness of the posts for the rest of the 1,600 on the list.
That said, I think it's important that we all agree to properly label our posts
in the subject line so that uninterested parties can simply delete them. For
some folks, just the volume of mail causes them problems?perhaps they should
withdraw their names from the list until the reach a quieter time in their
lives.
Regarding humor and health.
The best jokes I've ever heard regarding diseases are from those afflicted with
them. I'm thinking of women with breast cancer, for instance. Most of the
stronger gals I know have survived the hair loss effects of chemotherapy by
joking about their baldness; they've soothed their own feelings about the loss
of their breast(s) through wisecracks. Sure, for some it's a cover up of hurt
feelings, a show of bravado but what would you ask them to do? Often they have
to chose between crying or laughing.
As an EMT I've used humor to diffuse tension and to cope with the "uncopable
"situations I've been involved in. As a survivor of my own traumas both physical
and psychological, I've used humor to find the strength to move on and not
become a hopeless victim of my circumstances. I find it ESPECIALLY important to
use humor when things are particularly hopeless. Sometimes your humor is all you
have left and thank heavens no disease, situation, or malevolent tormentor can
take that from you unless you voluntarily hand it over to them.
The thing I've never witnessed is someone, particularly a health professional or
health educator, purposely make a joke about a disease or affliction with intent
to hurt, offend, and damage the psyche of a person suffering from the disease.
To imply otherwise and to attack a person for any unintended harm is to act
intentionally maliciously.
Andy J :{)
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#1177
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 16:48:55 -0700
From: "Randolfi, Ernie" <Randolfi@MSUBILLINGS.EDU>
Subject: Humor, the HEDIR & Health
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Late Friday afternoon and I should be going home to spend time with my family,
but I feel a need to respond to the discussion about inappropriate jokes.
First of all, thank you Michael - I laughed and forwarded your story to others
not on this list. As a university professor I try to start each of my classes
with some humorous story or health related cartoon. At the beginning of the
school year, I caution my students that some of them will be offended by my weak
attempts to make them smile (a lot of the time they just groan). I let them know
that I try to be mutually offensive to everyone. No individual or group is
protected from laughter. As an example, I use cartoons from John Callahan
(http://callahanonline.com/) to poke fun at the disabled and minorities (he is a
quadriplegic). It helps that I have tenure and my rank is full professor, but I
have been doing this for years because as a health educator, I know that humor
is healthy. As a stress management consultant, I repeatedly plead with clients
to not take themselves so seriously. Life is too short.
Personally, I believe that censorship of the HEDIR is a bad for the list and bad
for our profession. The only likely outcome is that less people will be inclined
to participate in discussions. I also believe that everyone has a right to
criticize anyone else (It is, however best to try to do so with some humor).
That is one reason I choose to live in America. I love to hear opposing points
of view. If everyone thought like I did, we would live in a more perfect world,
but a more boring one. ;-)
With elections coming up next week, I always find this to be an especially
humorless time of the year (For some comic relief check out some of the Web
pages devoted to Bushisms, e.g., http://www.seeyageorge.com/bsh.html). Perhaps
it is time to apply a democratic process to the administration of the HEDIR List
and have members vote on the appropriate use of humor. Not that Mark has to
abide by any popular vote. He does after all own the forum, and as King of the
HEDIR has a right to ignore our rantings. Nevertheless, it would be interesting
to hear what the silent majority has to say about this topic.
I thought about setting up a Web page to conduct this survey, but that is way
too official for a Friday afternoon rant.
SURVEY DIRECTIONS:
If you wish to participate in my survey respond to the following question by
next Friday.
Respond by e-mail directly to me and not to the list.
If you can't follow directions your vote will not be counted. (Colleagues in
Flori-duh pay special attention!)
Do not discuss your vote in e-mails to me. That is what the list is for.
Participation in this vote is completely voluntary. If you don't vote, don't
complain about the results.
All responses will be treated with confidentiality and only reported to the list
in aggregate form.
This survey has not been approved by the Institutional Review Board of my
university, so don't ask.
The reliability and validity of the survey question has not been evaluated in
any way.
If you don't like my survey construct and administer your own.
Please respond to the following question:
YES ( ) NO ( ) Use of all jokes and attempts at humor should be banned from the
HEDIR list.
Note: No attempt is made to define appropriate or inappropriate jokes or humor.
To do so would be a silly academic exercise that I don't have time for. Somebody
will always be offended by someone else's attempt at humor.
Enough said. You have one week to respond, or forever hold your peace.
Ernie
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Montana State University - Billings
Department of Health, Physical Education & Human Services
1500 University Drive
Billings, Montana 59101
Telephone: 406-657-2123 Fax: 406-657-2399
e-mail: randolfi@msubillings.edu
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#1178
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 19:25:15 -0500
From: nfb <nfb@GWU.EDU>
Subject: CHHCS News Alerts: Soros Advocacy Fellowships Available to
Physicians/NIH Offers Education Loan Repayment for Research
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CHHCS News Alerts 11/01/02
Soros Advocacy Fellowships Available to Physicians:
The Program on Medicine as a Profession of the Open Society Institute
has set an application deadline of January 14, 2003, for the Soros
Advocacy Fellowship for Physicians.
http://www.healthinschools.org/2002/nov01_alert.asp
NIH Offers Education Loan Repayment for Research:
Health professionals may apply before November 30 for extramural loan
repayment programs sponsored by the National Institutes of Health for
clinical, pediatric, and contraception and infertility research.
http://www.healthinschools.org/2002/nov01b_alert.asp
Web Manager
The Center for Health and Health Care in Schools (CHHCS)
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#1179
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 20:55:52 -0500
From: Joe Zoske <zoskej@CRISNY.ORG>
Subject: No joking around
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As election day is around the corner, I'll cast another vote...NO.
Whether something is unanimously funny or not isn't the issue. Nothing =
ever will be perceived the same by everyone. Whether or not to =
absolutely allow or disallow humor in a democratic listserve is also not =
the prime issue. However, for any individual to continue to act as a =
self-appointed humorist, in the face of clear and present evidence that =
you are offending other colleagues (whether the minority or majority) =
represents - in my opinion - professional impropriety.
Additionally, to then refer to those critical to you as dim-witted and =
"manipulative types" (email of 11/1, 2:13) belies some darker themes, =
which definitely do NOT belong here. May I suggest that the right =
behavior to follow is guided by the Hippocratic dictum of "First, do no =
harm."
Joe Zoske
Men's Health Promotion Specialist
Albany NY
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