#1111
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 09:19:36 -0700
From: Margo Harris <margo@PNWHEALTH.COM>
Subject: Re: Should Public Health Workers be Credentialed? Licensed?
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Interesting how differently this question could be read. I didn't even
think about CHES. Nicolette, I don't agree with you, but we don't need to
go there. This question arrived as I was reading the Texas Department of
Health's newsletter, Health Promotion Inter-Change. Somehow I got on the
mailing list for Inter-Change years ago, and I keep my subscription coming.
To colleagues in Texas, "Thanks!" I always find interesting reading in this
newsletter. If you want to take a look, visit -
http://www.tdh.state.tx.us/php/pubs.htm and click on the second item offered
on the page.
The lead article in this issue is, "The Front Lines of Public Health: A Look
at Certification for Promotores(as) or CHWs." I thought it was an
interesting issue, with an interesting process behind the establishment of
"Rules Regarding Training and Certification of Promotores(as) or CHWS." So,
for a different certification focus, take a look.
AND...Congratulations to Linda Nichols, MSEd, CHES, Director, Public Health
Promotion who received the 2002 Evans/Muneoka Award at the CDC/ASTDHPPHE
National Conference in New Orleans in June. The Evans/Muneoka Award honors
a state, territorial, or Indian Health Service Area Director of Health
Education/Health Promotion who exemplifies consistent, extraordinary
mentoring and professional support to health promotion and health education
staff; state, local, and national colleagues; and/or other members. The
award honors members Karen Evans and Laurel Muneoka. If you know Linda, you
know she is a deserving recipient. Margo
Margo Harris
Seattle, WA
206/932-1273
Email: margo@pnwhealth.com
Internet: www.pnwhealth.com
PNW SOPHE Job Bank: www.pnwhealth.com/jobbank.htm
"I know God won't give me anything I can't handle.
I just wish (s)he didn't trust me so much." Mother Theresa
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nicolette Warren-White" <nwwhite@LEECOUNTYNC.COM>
To: <HEDIR-L@SIU.EDU>
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 6:41 AM
Subject: Re: Should Public Health Workers be Credentialed? Licensed?
> ** Texas A&M; Health and Safety Chair/Professor (11/21)
> ** <http://www.hpcareer.net/jobspage_univ.cfm>
> **
> ** The Leader in Health Education-AAHE
> ** The Exclusive Sponsor of the HEDIR
> ** <http://www.aahperd.org/aahe/template.cfm>
> **
>
> I usually don't get involve with the discussions. However, I enjoy
reading
> the responses so, I will take a stab at it.
>
> Many of the public health workers are currently credentialed or licensed.
>
> For Example: (Mandatory license to practice)
> 1) Registered Public Health Nurse
> 2) Registered Dietitian
>
> Unlike the field of Public Health Education, the credentialing is optional
> for a practicing health educator. This may vary from state to state and
from
> employer to employer. However, it would be ideal to require a mandatory
> (national and/or state) license/credential for practicing health
educators.
>
> For Example:
> 1) In every state, a practicing health educator must have CHES
credentials.
>
> Answer to the original question:
> Yes, public health workers should be credentialed or licensed for
> specialized fields.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: The HEDIR is operated by Mark J. Kittleson, SIUC
> [mailto:HEDIR-L@siu.edu]On Behalf Of Shirley Haberman
> Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 4:12 PM
> To: HEDIR-L@SIU.EDU
> Subject: FW: Should Public Health Workers be Credentialed? Licensed?
>
>
> ** Texas A&M; Health and Safety Chair/Professor (11/21)
> ** <http://www.hpcareer.net/jobspage_univ.cfm>
> **
> ** The Leader in Health Education-AAHE
> ** The Exclusive Sponsor of the HEDIR
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> **
>
> I am forwarding a query from a grad student from our office.
>
> Shirley Haberman, PhD, CHES
> University of Pittsburgh Student Health Service
> 3708 Fifth Ave-Suite 500
> Pittsburgh, PA 15213
> 412-383-1830
> 412-383-1845 (fax)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Neyal J. Ammary [mailto:nja12+@pitt.edu]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 3:59 PM
> To: shirley@shs.medarts.upmc.edu
> Subject: Should Public Health Workers be Credentialed? Licensed?
>
> Hello HEDIR land,
>
> I am a graduate student at the University of Pittsburgh's Graduate
> School of Public Health. In one of my classes we are currently debating
> whether public health workers should be credentialed? Licensed?
>
> What are your opinions about this?
>
> Thanks,
> Neyal Ammary
> Nja12+@pitt.edu
>
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> ** Oct 21-27, 2002
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>
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#1112
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 17:15:28 -0400
From: nfb <nfb@GWU.EDU>
Subject: CHHCS News Alerts: Funding Available for Community Health/Report Cites
Crisis in Mental Health
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CHHCS News Alerts 10/24/02
Funding Available for Community Health:
Johnson & Johnson Community Health Care Program, in cooperation with
Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health and the National Council
of La Raza, has announced the availability of 2003 funds to assist
community health care organizations to measurably improve access to
quality health care to under-served populations, with special emphasis
on quality of care for women and children, including adolescents.
http://www.healthinschools.org/2002/oct23_alert.asp
Report Cites Crisis in Mental Health:
The National Council on Disability, in a report released in September,
charged the U.S. mental health system is unable to provide basic
services and supports to people with psychiatric disabilities.
http://www.healthinschools.org/2002/oct23b_alert.asp
Web Manager
The Center for Health and Health Care in Schools (CHHCS)
http://www.healthinschools.org
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#1113
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 10:32:12 -1000
From: NANCY ATMOSPERA-WALCH <NWALCH@QUEENS.ORG>
Subject: Re: Should Public Health Workers be Credentialed? Licensed?
** Texas A&M; Health and Safety Chair/Professor (11/21)
** <http://www.hpcareer.net/jobspage_univ.cfm>
**
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** The Exclusive Sponsor of the HEDIR
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Aloha Fellow HEDIR!
Should Health Educators be Credentialed? or Licensed?
My question is, who among the professionals are not licensed before they =
start their profession? Not that many=20
MDs - Board Exams, Nurses, Board Exams, Dietitians, Lawyers, Social =
Workers, Engineers, Accountants, etc.
Most of the above professionals then go back and obtain certifications on =
their specialty.
Certifications or Licensing does not equate that you are the best in that =
profession. However as an employer and as a consumer, at least I know that =
cognitively, that person has certain basic level of knowledge that I could =
start with.=20
Are Teachers or Health Educators required to be licensed or certified =
before staring to work? - NO and why not? Why don't we have the same =
expectations for these professionals?
On a personal level, would you want an unlicenced doctor or dentist to =
work on your body or your teeth? Not only that I expect my physician to =
be licensed but board certified and a fellow in his/her specialty. From a =
non-professional level, we even expect contractors to be licensed and =
bonded when we have them building our home.
So, why don't we expect teachers or health educators to be licensed and =
certified when they are teaching our children, relatives or friends? Why =
should they be different from other professionals?
Nancy Walch, RN, MPH, NHA, CDE, CHES
The Queen's Medical Center
Health Education and Wellness
1301 Punchbowl Street
Honolulu, Hawaii 96813
Phone: (808) 547-4450
Fax: (808) 537-7828
e-mail address: nwalch@queens.org
>>> Margo Harris <margo@PNWHEALTH.COM> 10/24/02 06:19AM >>>
** Texas A&M; Health and Safety Chair/Professor (11/21)
** <http://www.hpcareer.net/jobspage_univ.cfm>
**
** The Leader in Health Education-AAHE
** The Exclusive Sponsor of the HEDIR
** <http://www.aahperd.org/aahe/template.cfm>
**
Interesting how differently this question could be read. I didn't even
think about CHES. Nicolette, I don't agree with you, but we don't need to
go there. This question arrived as I was reading the Texas Department of
Health's newsletter, Health Promotion Inter-Change. Somehow I got on the
mailing list for Inter-Change years ago, and I keep my subscription =
coming.
To colleagues in Texas, "Thanks!" I always find interesting reading in =
this
newsletter. If you want to take a look, visit -
http://www.tdh.state.tx.us/php/pubs.htm and click on the second item =
offered
on the page.
The lead article in this issue is, "The Front Lines of Public Health: A =
Look
at Certification for Promotores(as) or CHWs." I thought it was an
interesting issue, with an interesting process behind the establishment of
"Rules Regarding Training and Certification of Promotores(as) or CHWS." =
So,
for a different certification focus, take a look.
AND...Congratulations to Linda Nichols, MSEd, CHES, Director, Public =
Health
Promotion who received the 2002 Evans/Muneoka Award at the CDC/ASTDHPPHE
National Conference in New Orleans in June. The Evans/Muneoka Award =
honors
a state, territorial, or Indian Health Service Area Director of Health
Education/Health Promotion who exemplifies consistent, extraordinary
mentoring and professional support to health promotion and health =
education
staff; state, local, and national colleagues; and/or other members. The
award honors members Karen Evans and Laurel Muneoka. If you know Linda, =
you
know she is a deserving recipient. Margo
Margo Harris
Seattle, WA
206/932-1273
Email: margo@pnwhealth.com
Internet: www.pnwhealth.com
PNW SOPHE Job Bank: www.pnwhealth.com/jobbank.htm
"I know God won't give me anything I can't handle.
I just wish (s)he didn't trust me so much." Mother Theresa
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nicolette Warren-White" <nwwhite@LEECOUNTYNC.COM>
To: <HEDIR-L@SIU.EDU>
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 6:41 AM
Subject: Re: Should Public Health Workers be Credentialed? Licensed?
> ** Texas A&M; Health and Safety Chair/Professor (11/21)
> ** <http://www.hpcareer.net/jobspage_univ.cfm>
> **
> ** The Leader in Health Education-AAHE
> ** The Exclusive Sponsor of the HEDIR
> ** <http://www.aahperd.org/aahe/template.cfm>
> **
>
> I usually don't get involve with the discussions. However, I enjoy
reading
> the responses so, I will take a stab at it.
>
> Many of the public health workers are currently credentialed or =
licensed.
>
> For Example: (Mandatory license to practice)
> 1) Registered Public Health Nurse
> 2) Registered Dietitian
>
> Unlike the field of Public Health Education, the credentialing is =
optional
> for a practicing health educator. This may vary from state to state and
from
> employer to employer. However, it would be ideal to require a mandatory
> (national and/or state) license/credential for practicing health
educators.
>
> For Example:
> 1) In every state, a practicing health educator must have CHES
credentials.
>
> Answer to the original question:
> Yes, public health workers should be credentialed or licensed for
> specialized fields.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: The HEDIR is operated by Mark J. Kittleson, SIUC
> [mailto:HEDIR-L@siu.edu]On Behalf Of Shirley Haberman
> Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 4:12 PM
> To: HEDIR-L@SIU.EDU
> Subject: FW: Should Public Health Workers be Credentialed? Licensed?
>
>
> ** Texas A&M; Health and Safety Chair/Professor (11/21)
> ** <http://www.hpcareer.net/jobspage_univ.cfm>
> **
> ** The Leader in Health Education-AAHE
> ** The Exclusive Sponsor of the HEDIR
> ** <http://www.aahperd.org/aahe/template.cfm>
> **
>
> I am forwarding a query from a grad student from our office.
>
> Shirley Haberman, PhD, CHES
> University of Pittsburgh Student Health Service
> 3708 Fifth Ave-Suite 500
> Pittsburgh, PA 15213
> 412-383-1830
> 412-383-1845 (fax)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Neyal J. Ammary [mailto:nja12+@pitt.edu]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 3:59 PM
> To: shirley@shs.medarts.upmc.edu
> Subject: Should Public Health Workers be Credentialed? Licensed?
>
> Hello HEDIR land,
>
> I am a graduate student at the University of Pittsburgh's Graduate
> School of Public Health. In one of my classes we are currently debating
> whether public health workers should be credentialed? Licensed?
>
> What are your opinions about this?
>
> Thanks,
> Neyal Ammary
> Nja12+@pitt.edu
>
> ** Join Us For the HEDIR Luncheon
> ** www.hedir.org/lunch
> **
> ** Advertise Jobs On The HEDIR
> ** http://www.hpcareer.net/hedir.cfm
> **
> ** Celebrate National Health Education Week
> ** Oct 21-27, 2002
> **
>
> ** Join Us For the HEDIR Luncheon
> ** www.hedir.org/lunch
> **
> ** Advertise Jobs On The HEDIR
> ** http://www.hpcareer.net/hedir.cfm
> **
> ** Celebrate National Health Education Week
> ** Oct 21-27, 2002
> **
>
** Join Us For the HEDIR Luncheon
** www.hedir.org/lunch
**
** Advertise Jobs On The HEDIR
** http://www.hpcareer.net/hedir.cfm
**
** Celebrate National Health Education Week
** Oct 21-27, 2002
**
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#1114
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 17:28:40 -0500
From: "Cissell, William" <WCissell@MAIL.TWU.EDU>
Subject: Teachers are "certified"
** Texas A&M; Health and Safety Chair/Professor (11/21)
** <http://www.hpcareer.net/jobspage_univ.cfm>
**
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** The Exclusive Sponsor of the HEDIR
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**
HEDIRs Interested in the Licensure/Certification Thread:
Nancy will probably be deluged with responses asserting that teachers are
certified in each state. In fact the teaching certificate is a license, because
the professional cannot teach without the "certificate." A license is a
credential required by law in order to practice. Certificates are typically
voluntary credentials that a professional chooses to attain to demonstrate a
particular standard of competence.
Bill Cissell
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#1115
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 20:30:24 -0500
From: "Kenneth R. McLeroy" <kmcleroy@SRPH.TAMU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Should Public Health Workers be Credentialed? Licensed?
** Texas A&M; Health and Safety Chair/Professor (11/21)
** <http://www.hpcareer.net/jobspage_univ.cfm>
**
** The Leader in Health Education-AAHE
** The Exclusive Sponsor of the HEDIR
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**
I was going to stay out of this discussion, but could not resist the
tempation to be a bit of a curmudgeon.
Even a cursory review of the history of the professions raises serious
questions about who benefits and who pays from certification,
credentialing, etc. Certainly it restricts access to the profession and
tends to raise salaries. Whether it benefits consumers is up for debate.
Proponents, like Nancy, will probably argue from the medicine/nursing
perspective. Even with nursing and medicine, given the weaknesses that
we sometimes see in oversite of its members by those professions raises
some interesting questions.
A specific issue with health education credentialing is that it relies
on employers hiring "certified" health educators, rather than
restricting use of the title "health educator" to those who have met
whatever criteria are established. Thus, as noted in an article I
reviewed several years ago, the credentialing for health education is a
"grand experiment". Whether individuals who are credentialied benefit
from the costs of credentialing is an open issue.
It would be interesting to see what proportion of faculty in schools of
public health as opposed to other programs of health education in higher
education are credentialed. This raises the issue of splits within the
profession, and how status and prestige are assigned within the
profession.
I will be judged a heretic by those who are advocating credentialing.
However, I think there needs to be much more thought about credentialing
and the benefits and costs to whom than I have seen so far in this
venue.
Regards
-Ken McLeroy
>>> NANCY ATMOSPERA-WALCH <NWALCH@QUEENS.ORG> 10/24/02 03:32PM >>>
** Texas A&M; Health and Safety Chair/Professor (11/21)
** <http://www.hpcareer.net/jobspage_univ.cfm>
**
** The Leader in Health Education-AAHE
** The Exclusive Sponsor of the HEDIR
** <http://www.aahperd.org/aahe/template.cfm>
**
Aloha Fellow HEDIR!
Should Health Educators be Credentialed? or Licensed?
My question is, who among the professionals are not licensed before
they start their profession? Not that many
MDs - Board Exams, Nurses, Board Exams, Dietitians, Lawyers, Social
Workers, Engineers, Accountants, etc.
Most of the above professionals then go back and obtain certifications
on their specialty.
Certifications or Licensing does not equate that you are the best in
that profession. However as an employer and as a consumer, at least I
know that cognitively, that person has certain basic level of knowledge
that I could start with.
Are Teachers or Health Educators required to be licensed or certified
before staring to work? - NO and why not? Why don't we have the same
expectations for these professionals?
On a personal level, would you want an unlicenced doctor or dentist to
work on your body or your teeth? Not only that I expect my physician to
be licensed but board certified and a fellow in his/her specialty. From
a non-professional level, we even expect contractors to be licensed and
bonded when we have them building our home.
So, why don't we expect teachers or health educators to be licensed
and certified when they are teaching our children, relatives or friends?
Why should they be different from other professionals?
Nancy Walch, RN, MPH, NHA, CDE, CHES
The Queen's Medical Center
Health Education and Wellness
1301 Punchbowl Street
Honolulu, Hawaii 96813
Phone: (808) 547-4450
Fax: (808) 537-7828
e-mail address: nwalch@queens.org
** Join Us For the HEDIR Luncheon
** www.hedir.org/lunch
**
** Advertise Jobs On The HEDIR
** http://www.hpcareer.net/hedir.cfm
**
** Celebrate National Health Education Week
** Oct 21-27, 2002
**
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