#1116
Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 09:17:35 -0400
From: Valorie Nybo <nybo@EMAIL.WCU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Teachers are "certified"
** Texas A&M; Health and Safety Chair/Professor (11/21)
** <http://www.hpcareer.net/jobspage_univ.cfm>
**
** The Leader in Health Education-AAHE
** The Exclusive Sponsor of the HEDIR
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And at least in North Carolina you can be a certified teacher teaching health
and not even have a minor in school health.
-----Original Message-----
From: Cissell, William [mailto:WCissell@MAIL.TWU.EDU]
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 6:29 PM
To: HEDIR-L@SIU.EDU
Subject: Teachers are "certified"
** Texas A&M; Health and Safety Chair/Professor (11/21)
** <http://www.hpcareer.net/jobspage_univ.cfm>
**
** The Leader in Health Education-AAHE
** The Exclusive Sponsor of the HEDIR
** <http://www.aahperd.org/aahe/template.cfm>
**
HEDIRs Interested in the Licensure/Certification Thread:
Nancy will probably be deluged with responses asserting that teachers are
certified in each state. In fact the teaching certificate is a license, because
the professional cannot teach without the "certificate." A license is a
credential required by law in order to practice. Certificates are typically
voluntary credentials that a professional chooses to attain to demonstrate a
particular standard of competence.
Bill Cissell
** Join Us For the HEDIR Luncheon
** www.hedir.org/lunch
**
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** Oct 21-27, 2002
**
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#1117
Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 08:38:12 -0500
From: "Mark J. Kittleson, Ph.D., FAAHB" <kittle@SIU.EDU>
Subject: Fwd: Re: Teachers are "certified"
** Texas A&M; Health and Safety Chair/Professor (11/21)
** <http://www.hpcareer.net/jobspage_univ.cfm>
**
** The Leader in Health Education-AAHE
** The Exclusive Sponsor of the HEDIR
** <http://www.aahperd.org/aahe/template.cfm>
**
Both Val and Bill (and others) have indicated teachers are indeed
"licensed". Can't argue with that, BUT, we also must realize that there
are so many loopholes at getting teachers 'certified' to teach in a public
school. Few states (i.e., NC, ME) require a full-fledge degree in health
to teach health. Most states just have a minimum certification (not just
in health but in any topic). In addition, the schools have found a way to
get those with absolutely no criteria to get 'licensed' to teach, thus
negating the purpose of the 'license'.
Case in point...my neighbor, nice fella, was hired by Carbondale as the
basket ball coach. He also is "teaching" health. Not too many of us have
a 'health educator' as a neighbor so as they are moving in our discussions
go to work related matters. I asked him where he graduated from
school...Ball State...."Ball State...great place. I know some great people
there...Jim McKenzie?" "Aw, no, don't know him..." "How about Herb
Jones?"..."Naw, never heard of him". Went through about 3 or 4 other
names. Finally I asked, what did you major in? "Physical Education". I
then asked "certainly you took some health courses?" "No, didn't need to."
This person is teaching 2 or 3 sections of health at my kid's high
school. The other health teacher, a legitimate health educator, is
furious. The basketball coach gives out reading assignments each day, then
gives a quiz.
We've all seen this at our locations...athletics is more important than
teaching. It hits hard with subjects like health, because the students get
so little to begin with. So, yes, technically teachers need to be
licensed/certified. But if you are really important, there's way to get
around it.
By the way, the way the schools get around it is that they petition the
state for a 'provisional' certification. This provisional is good for five
years and the person must make headway into moving into a more permanent
status. BUT, they (the state) don't follow-up after those five years, and
re-issue another provisional.
Another important lesson why health educators need to get involved with
their communities, voting, running for school board, raising hell with the
poor quality educational system that has taken over the country.
>From: Valorie Nybo <nybo@EMAIL.WCU.EDU>
>Subject: Re: Teachers are "certified"
>To: HEDIR-L@SIU.EDU
>
>
>And at least in North Carolina you can be a certified teacher teaching
>health and not even have a minor in school health.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Cissell, William [mailto:WCissell@MAIL.TWU.EDU]
>Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 6:29 PM
>To: HEDIR-L@SIU.EDU
>Subject: Teachers are "certified"
>
>
>** Texas A&M; Health and Safety Chair/Professor (11/21)
>** <http://www.hpcareer.net/jobspage_univ.cfm>
>**
>** The Leader in Health Education-AAHE
>** The Exclusive Sponsor of the HEDIR
>** <http://www.aahperd.org/aahe/template.cfm>
>**
>
>HEDIRs Interested in the Licensure/Certification Thread:
>
>Nancy will probably be deluged with responses asserting that teachers are
>certified in each state. In fact the teaching certificate is a license,
>because the professional cannot teach without the "certificate." A
>license is a credential required by law in order to
>practice. Certificates are typically voluntary credentials that a
>professional chooses to attain to demonstrate a particular standard of
>competence.
>
>Bill Cissell
>
>** Join Us For the HEDIR Luncheon
>** www.hedir.org/lunch
>**
>** Advertise Jobs On The HEDIR
>** http://www.hpcareer.net/hedir.cfm
>**
>** Celebrate National Health Education Week
>** Oct 21-27, 2002
>**
>
>** Join Us For the HEDIR Luncheon
>** www.hedir.org/lunch
>**
>** Advertise Jobs On The HEDIR
>** http://www.hpcareer.net/hedir.cfm
>**
>** Celebrate National Health Education Week
>** Oct 21-27, 2002
>**
Mark J. Kittleson, PhD, FAAHB
Professor, Health Education
Graduate Director, Health Education & Recreation
Home Page: www.kittle.siu.edu
The HEDIR Home Page: www.hedir.org
The IEJHE: www.iejhe.org
------------------------------
#1118
Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 09:54:28 -0400
From: Pete LeRoy <pleroy@CONCORD.EDU>
Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: Teachers are "certified"
** Texas A&M; Health and Safety Chair/Professor (11/21)
** <http://www.hpcareer.net/jobspage_univ.cfm>
**
** The Leader in Health Education-AAHE
** The Exclusive Sponsor of the HEDIR
** <http://www.aahperd.org/aahe/template.cfm>
**
Mark's description is so typical. As a teacher (15) years and professor (15
years) I can tell you that I've seen this in many states and at many
institutions. At one former institution, students could earn a degree in "health
and physical education" by taking one health course.
Thank goodness, some changes have been made for the good, but we have a long way
to go.
-----------------------------------------
Pete LeRoy, Associate Professor, Health Education
Department of Human Performance
Concord College, P.O. Box 1000, Athens, WV 24712
1-800-344-6679, ext. 5332
Visit my website: http://faculty.concord.edu/pleroy
---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: "Mark J. Kittleson, Ph.D., FAAHB" <kittle@siu.edu>
Reply-To: "Mark J. Kittleson, Ph.D., FAAHB" <kittle@siu.edu>
Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 08:38:12 -0500
>** Texas A&M; Health and Safety Chair/Professor (11/21)
>** <http://www.hpcareer.net/jobspage_univ.cfm>
>**
>** The Leader in Health Education-AAHE
>** The Exclusive Sponsor of the HEDIR
>** <http://www.aahperd.org/aahe/template.cfm>
>**
>
>Both Val and Bill (and others) have indicated teachers are indeed
>"licensed". Can't argue with that, BUT, we also must realize that there
>are so many loopholes at getting teachers 'certified' to teach in a public
>school. Few states (i.e., NC, ME) require a full-fledge degree in health
>to teach health. Most states just have a minimum certification (not just
>in health but in any topic). In addition, the schools have found a way to
>get those with absolutely no criteria to get 'licensed' to teach, thus
>negating the purpose of the 'license'.
>
>Case in point...my neighbor, nice fella, was hired by Carbondale as the
>basket ball coach. He also is "teaching" health. Not too many of us have
>a 'health educator' as a neighbor so as they are moving in our discussions
>go to work related matters. I asked him where he graduated from
>school...Ball State...."Ball State...great place. I know some great people
>there...Jim McKenzie?" "Aw, no, don't know him..." "How about Herb
>Jones?"..."Naw, never heard of him". Went through about 3 or 4 other
>names. Finally I asked, what did you major in? "Physical Education". I
>then asked "certainly you took some health courses?" "No, didn't need to."
>
>This person is teaching 2 or 3 sections of health at my kid's high
>school. The other health teacher, a legitimate health educator, is
>furious. The basketball coach gives out reading assignments each day, then
>gives a quiz.
>
>We've all seen this at our locations...athletics is more important than
>teaching. It hits hard with subjects like health, because the students get
>so little to begin with. So, yes, technically teachers need to be
>licensed/certified. But if you are really important, there's way to get
>around it.
>
>By the way, the way the schools get around it is that they petition the
>state for a 'provisional' certification. This provisional is good for five
>years and the person must make headway into moving into a more permanent
>status. BUT, they (the state) don't follow-up after those five years, and
>re-issue another provisional.
>
>Another important lesson why health educators need to get involved with
>their communities, voting, running for school board, raising hell with the
>poor quality educational system that has taken over the country.
>
>
>>From: Valorie Nybo <nybo@EMAIL.WCU.EDU>
>>Subject: Re: Teachers are "certified"
>>To: HEDIR-L@SIU.EDU
>>
>>
>>And at least in North Carolina you can be a certified teacher teaching
>>health and not even have a minor in school health.
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Cissell, William [mailto:WCissell@MAIL.TWU.EDU]
>>Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 6:29 PM
>>To: HEDIR-L@SIU.EDU
>>Subject: Teachers are "certified"
>>
>>
>>** Texas A&M; Health and Safety Chair/Professor (11/21)
>>** <http://www.hpcareer.net/jobspage_univ.cfm>
>>**
>>** The Leader in Health Education-AAHE
>>** The Exclusive Sponsor of the HEDIR
>>** <http://www.aahperd.org/aahe/template.cfm>
>>**
>>
>>HEDIRs Interested in the Licensure/Certification Thread:
>>
>>Nancy will probably be deluged with responses asserting that teachers are
>>certified in each state. In fact the teaching certificate is a license,
>>because the professional cannot teach without the "certificate." A
>>license is a credential required by law in order to
>>practice. Certificates are typically voluntary credentials that a
>>professional chooses to attain to demonstrate a particular standard of
>>competence.
>>
>>Bill Cissell
>>
>>** Join Us For the HEDIR Luncheon
>>** www.hedir.org/lunch
>>**
>>** Advertise Jobs On The HEDIR
>>** http://www.hpcareer.net/hedir.cfm
>>**
>>** Celebrate National Health Education Week
>>** Oct 21-27, 2002
>>**
>>
>>** Join Us For the HEDIR Luncheon
>>** www.hedir.org/lunch
>>**
>>** Advertise Jobs On The HEDIR
>>** http://www.hpcareer.net/hedir.cfm
>>**
>>** Celebrate National Health Education Week
>>** Oct 21-27, 2002
>>**
>
>Mark J. Kittleson, PhD, FAAHB
>Professor, Health Education
>Graduate Director, Health Education & Recreation
>Home Page: www.kittle.siu.edu
>The HEDIR Home Page: www.hedir.org
>The IEJHE: www.iejhe.org
>
>** Join Us For the HEDIR Luncheon
>** www.hedir.org/lunch
>**
>** Advertise Jobs On The HEDIR
>** http://www.hpcareer.net/hedir.cfm
>**
>** Celebrate National Health Education Week
>** Oct 21-27, 2002
>**
>
------------------------------
#1119
Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 10:25:40 -0400
From: Walter Hanks <walt.hanks@COMCAST.NET>
Subject: Re: Teachers are "certified"
** Texas A&M; Health and Safety Chair/Professor (11/21)
** <http://www.hpcareer.net/jobspage_univ.cfm>
**
** The Leader in Health Education-AAHE
** The Exclusive Sponsor of the HEDIR
** <http://www.aahperd.org/aahe/template.cfm>
**
I have another example that is even more troublesome ...
My son's 8th grade health teacher here in Maryland was certified to
teach health. Her graduate minor was in health, but it was from a
University that doesn't have a Health Education program. Her major was
Home Ec.
When I met her, I immediately started talking about Health Ed issues
with her, only she didn't know what I was talking about. She had never
heard of ASHA or AAHE. She had only heard about Comprehensive School
Health in one class; "They said something about it." She never had a
class in drug use prevention, program planning, or evaluation. She
also never had a class on sexuality education, but "it was covered in
my curriculum class."
By the end of the year, she had spent only one week (3 lectures) on the
ATOD unit and two weeks (5 lectures) on sexuality. When I questioned
her priorities, she simply said, "I'm just not comfortable with those
topics."
So just what did she cover in this class? Most of the year was spent
on cooking (with a little nutrition information mixed in), home finance
and management, and conflict management. She is trying to get sewing
added back in, since "it's a really important subject for the kids."
In my opinion, School Health teachers should be CHES certified. It's
the only tool we have at this point that at least assures that they've
had the coursework.
Walt Hanks
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark J. Kittleson, Ph.D., FAAHB" <kittle@siu.edu>
Date: Friday, October 25, 2002 9:38 am
Subject: Fwd: Re: Teachers are "certified"
> Both Val and Bill (and others) have indicated teachers are indeed
> "licensed". Can't argue with that, BUT, we also must realize that
> thereare so many loopholes at getting teachers 'certified' to
> teach in a public
> school. Few states (i.e., NC, ME) require a full-fledge degree in
> healthto teach health. Most states just have a minimum
> certification (not just
> in health but in any topic). In addition, the schools have found
> a way to
> get those with absolutely no criteria to get 'licensed' to teach, thus
> negating the purpose of the 'license'.
>
------------------------------
#1120
Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 07:53:43 -0700
From: Margo Harris <margo@PNWHEALTH.COM>
Subject: Re: Teachers are "certified"
** Texas A&M; Health and Safety Chair/Professor (11/21)
** <http://www.hpcareer.net/jobspage_univ.cfm>
**
** The Leader in Health Education-AAHE
** The Exclusive Sponsor of the HEDIR
** <http://www.aahperd.org/aahe/template.cfm>
**
Actually, I replied directly to the message, but let me add $.02. I didn't
say I didn't believe in credentialing or licensing. Those processes are
important and work to some extent. I've always objected to the CHES as
"the" credential that conveys acceptance of skill in health education. I
and other colleagues hold credentials, licenses, and certificates in a
number of other areas. We have often sat in the same classes as health
education students and through various routes have very similar skill sets.
I told the poster, okay I have a BA; an MAT in Public Health; a teaching
certificate with endorsements in health, psychology, and instructional
technology; a certificate as a training specialist, and numerous other
certificates that have been expected or required in my various health
education positions over a 30 year career. I can't help but smile when
someone suggests that since I don't have CHES I'm not a qualified health
educator, or better yet I'm not loyal to the profession.
Just like many other colleagues, I've seen remarkable changes in health
education in 30 years. For the first time in 30 years, I have a job with
health educator for a title in my current position at Children's Hospital in
Seattle. The skills I've needed as the years have gone by I have learned
through additional training - not what I learned in college and grad school
and not what is tested on the CHES exam. I just can't get my arms around
CHES equating competency or telling an employer much of anything. In fact,
I think employers are starting to "get" that.
The job title is another issue, and as Kenneth pointed out credentialing is
an incredibly complex issue with many nuances and many of the posts
(including mine) are quite simplistic as we wrangle with the issue. Margo
Margo Harris
Seattle, WA
206/932-1273
Email: margo@pnwhealth.com
Internet: www.pnwhealth.com
PNW SOPHE Job Bank: www.pnwhealth.com/jobbank.htm
"I know God won't give me anything I can't handle.
I just wish (s)he didn't trust me so much." Mother Theresa
------------------------------
#1121
Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 07:58:29 -0700
From: Margo Harris <margo@PNWHEALTH.COM>
Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: Teachers are "certified"
** Texas A&M; Health and Safety Chair/Professor (11/21)
** <http://www.hpcareer.net/jobspage_univ.cfm>
**
** The Leader in Health Education-AAHE
** The Exclusive Sponsor of the HEDIR
** <http://www.aahperd.org/aahe/template.cfm>
**
Actually, in Washington we call it an "emergency" certificate. What Mark
says is all too true. There is a teacher shortage in most states, and
school districts get very creative in how they solve that.
Ironically, the credential for health and fitness in Washington has recently
changed. It is now a combined health/fitness certificate, with health all
but disappearing. Our "health" teachers are PE/fitness teachers or they are
consumer science/family life teachers (not a bad thing actually but probably
not considered by some here as qualified). As standardized tests have
kicked in, health has begun disappearing from middle and high school and you
would be hard pressed to find a "health" teacher in our schools. We have
annual challenges in the legislature of health and fitness requirements,
with a group determined to get them eliminated entirely. After all, "we
really don't need health and PE, do we?" Margo
Margo Harris
Seattle, WA
206/932-1273
Email: margo@pnwhealth.com
Internet: www.pnwhealth.com
PNW SOPHE Job Bank: www.pnwhealth.com/jobbank.htm
"I know God won't give me anything I can't handle.
I just wish (s)he didn't trust me so much." Mother Theresa
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark J. Kittleson, Ph.D., FAAHB" <kittle@siu.edu>
To: <HEDIR-L@SIU.EDU>
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2002 6:38 AM
Subject: Fwd: Re: Teachers are "certified"
> ** Texas A&M; Health and Safety Chair/Professor (11/21)
> ** <http://www.hpcareer.net/jobspage_univ.cfm>
> **
> ** The Leader in Health Education-AAHE
> ** The Exclusive Sponsor of the HEDIR
> ** <http://www.aahperd.org/aahe/template.cfm>
> **
>
> Both Val and Bill (and others) have indicated teachers are indeed
> "licensed". Can't argue with that, BUT, we also must realize that there
> are so many loopholes at getting teachers 'certified' to teach in a public
> school. Few states (i.e., NC, ME) require a full-fledge degree in health
> to teach health. Most states just have a minimum certification (not just
> in health but in any topic). In addition, the schools have found a way to
> get those with absolutely no criteria to get 'licensed' to teach, thus
> negating the purpose of the 'license'.
>
> Case in point...my neighbor, nice fella, was hired by Carbondale as the
> basket ball coach. He also is "teaching" health. Not too many of us have
> a 'health educator' as a neighbor so as they are moving in our discussions
> go to work related matters. I asked him where he graduated from
> school...Ball State...."Ball State...great place. I know some great
people
> there...Jim McKenzie?" "Aw, no, don't know him..." "How about Herb
> Jones?"..."Naw, never heard of him". Went through about 3 or 4 other
> names. Finally I asked, what did you major in? "Physical Education". I
> then asked "certainly you took some health courses?" "No, didn't need
to."
>
> This person is teaching 2 or 3 sections of health at my kid's high
> school. The other health teacher, a legitimate health educator, is
> furious. The basketball coach gives out reading assignments each day,
then
> gives a quiz.
>
> We've all seen this at our locations...athletics is more important than
> teaching. It hits hard with subjects like health, because the students
get
> so little to begin with. So, yes, technically teachers need to be
> licensed/certified. But if you are really important, there's way to get
> around it.
>
> By the way, the way the schools get around it is that they petition the
> state for a 'provisional' certification. This provisional is good for
five
> years and the person must make headway into moving into a more permanent
> status. BUT, they (the state) don't follow-up after those five years, and
> re-issue another provisional.
>
> Another important lesson why health educators need to get involved with
> their communities, voting, running for school board, raising hell with the
> poor quality educational system that has taken over the country.
>
>
> >From: Valorie Nybo <nybo@EMAIL.WCU.EDU>
> >Subject: Re: Teachers are "certified"
> >To: HEDIR-L@SIU.EDU
> >
> >
> >And at least in North Carolina you can be a certified teacher teaching
> >health and not even have a minor in school health.
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Cissell, William [mailto:WCissell@MAIL.TWU.EDU]
> >Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 6:29 PM
> >To: HEDIR-L@SIU.EDU
> >Subject: Teachers are "certified"
> >
> >
> >** Texas A&M; Health and Safety Chair/Professor (11/21)
> >** <http://www.hpcareer.net/jobspage_univ.cfm>
> >**
> >** The Leader in Health Education-AAHE
> >** The Exclusive Sponsor of the HEDIR
> >** <http://www.aahperd.org/aahe/template.cfm>
> >**
> >
> >HEDIRs Interested in the Licensure/Certification Thread:
> >
> >Nancy will probably be deluged with responses asserting that teachers are
> >certified in each state. In fact the teaching certificate is a license,
> >because the professional cannot teach without the "certificate." A
> >license is a credential required by law in order to
> >practice. Certificates are typically voluntary credentials that a
> >professional chooses to attain to demonstrate a particular standard of
> >competence.
> >
> >Bill Cissell
> >
> >** Join Us For the HEDIR Luncheon
> >** www.hedir.org/lunch
> >**
> >** Advertise Jobs On The HEDIR
> >** http://www.hpcareer.net/hedir.cfm
> >**
> >** Celebrate National Health Education Week
> >** Oct 21-27, 2002
> >**
> >
> >** Join Us For the HEDIR Luncheon
> >** www.hedir.org/lunch
> >**
> >** Advertise Jobs On The HEDIR
> >** http://www.hpcareer.net/hedir.cfm
> >**
> >** Celebrate National Health Education Week
> >** Oct 21-27, 2002
> >**
>
> Mark J. Kittleson, PhD, FAAHB
> Professor, Health Education
> Graduate Director, Health Education & Recreation
> Home Page: www.kittle.siu.edu
> The HEDIR Home Page: www.hedir.org
> The IEJHE: www.iejhe.org
>
> ** Join Us For the HEDIR Luncheon
> ** www.hedir.org/lunch
> **
> ** Advertise Jobs On The HEDIR
> ** http://www.hpcareer.net/hedir.cfm
> **
> ** Celebrate National Health Education Week
> ** Oct 21-27, 2002
> **
>
------------------------------
#1122
Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 12:35:08 -0400
From: Nicolette Warren-White <nwwhite@LEECOUNTYNC.COM>
Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: Teachers are "certified"
** Texas A&M; Health and Safety Chair/Professor (11/21)
** <http://www.hpcareer.net/jobspage_univ.cfm>
**
** The Leader in Health Education-AAHE
** The Exclusive Sponsor of the HEDIR
** <http://www.aahperd.org/aahe/template.cfm>
**
Okay, this is a little off the subject, but maybe it should be required that
graduating health education (undergraduate and graduate) students take the
CHES exam or become a registered health educator in that state. Something
needs to be done to ensure that the health education profession is
uplifted/respected/recognized....
Okay, back on the current subject, YES, YES, YES school officials and school
districts “methods” for teachers becoming certified is questionable. What
would happen if there was a nationwide shortage of health educators? Or
maybe the question should be do we have a shortage of health educators?
Another question to consider is... are teachers classified as public health
workers? The original question was
Should Public Health Workers be Credentialed? Licensed?
There are many issues that need to be address in the field of public health,
especially in the profession of health education, so maybe the question
should be will credentialing and licensing help?
-----Original Message-----
From: The HEDIR is operated by Mark J. Kittleson, SIUC
[mailto:HEDIR-L@siu.edu]On Behalf Of Margo Harris
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2002 10:58 AM
To: HEDIR-L@SIU.EDU
Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: Teachers are "certified"
** Texas A&M; Health and Safety Chair/Professor (11/21)
** <http://www.hpcareer.net/jobspage_univ.cfm>
**
** The Leader in Health Education-AAHE
** The Exclusive Sponsor of the HEDIR
** <http://www.aahperd.org/aahe/template.cfm>
**
Actually, in Washington we call it an "emergency" certificate. What Mark
says is all too true. There is a teacher shortage in most states, and
school districts get very creative in how they solve that.
Ironically, the credential for health and fitness in Washington has recently
changed. It is now a combined health/fitness certificate, with health all
but disappearing. Our "health" teachers are PE/fitness teachers or they are
consumer science/family life teachers (not a bad thing actually but probably
not considered by some here as qualified). As standardized tests have
kicked in, health has begun disappearing from middle and high school and you
would be hard pressed to find a "health" teacher in our schools. We have
annual challenges in the legislature of health and fitness requirements,
with a group determined to get them eliminated entirely. After all, "we
really don't need health and PE, do we?" Margo
Margo Harris
Seattle, WA
206/932-1273
Email: margo@pnwhealth.com
Internet: www.pnwhealth.com
PNW SOPHE Job Bank: www.pnwhealth.com/jobbank.htm
"I know God won't give me anything I can't handle.
I just wish (s)he didn't trust me so much." Mother Theresa
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark J. Kittleson, Ph.D., FAAHB" <kittle@siu.edu>
To: <HEDIR-L@SIU.EDU>
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2002 6:38 AM
Subject: Fwd: Re: Teachers are "certified"
> ** Texas A&M; Health and Safety Chair/Professor (11/21)
> ** <http://www.hpcareer.net/jobspage_univ.cfm>
> **
> ** The Leader in Health Education-AAHE
> ** The Exclusive Sponsor of the HEDIR
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> **
>
> Both Val and Bill (and others) have indicated teachers are indeed
> "licensed". Can't argue with that, BUT, we also must realize that there
> are so many loopholes at getting teachers 'certified' to teach in a public
> school. Few states (i.e., NC, ME) require a full-fledge degree in health
> to teach health. Most states just have a minimum certification (not just
> in health but in any topic). In addition, the schools have found a way to
> get those with absolutely no criteria to get 'licensed' to teach, thus
> negating the purpose of the 'license'.
>
> Case in point...my neighbor, nice fella, was hired by Carbondale as the
> basket ball coach. He also is "teaching" health. Not too many of us have
> a 'health educator' as a neighbor so as they are moving in our discussions
> go to work related matters. I asked him where he graduated from
> school...Ball State...."Ball State...great place. I know some great
people
> there...Jim McKenzie?" "Aw, no, don't know him..." "How about Herb
> Jones?"..."Naw, never heard of him". Went through about 3 or 4 other
> names. Finally I asked, what did you major in? "Physical Education". I
> then asked "certainly you took some health courses?" "No, didn't need
to."
>
> This person is teaching 2 or 3 sections of health at my kid's high
> school. The other health teacher, a legitimate health educator, is
> furious. The basketball coach gives out reading assignments each day,
then
> gives a quiz.
>
> We've all seen this at our locations...athletics is more important than
> teaching. It hits hard with subjects like health, because the students
get
> so little to begin with. So, yes, technically teachers need to be
> licensed/certified. But if you are really important, there's way to get
> around it.
>
> By the way, the way the schools get around it is that they petition the
> state for a 'provisional' certification. This provisional is good for
five
> years and the person must make headway into moving into a more permanent
> status. BUT, they (the state) don't follow-up after those five years, and
> re-issue another provisional.
>
> Another important lesson why health educators need to get involved with
> their communities, voting, running for school board, raising hell with the
> poor quality educational system that has taken over the country.
>
>
> >From: Valorie Nybo <nybo@EMAIL.WCU.EDU>
> >Subject: Re: Teachers are "certified"
> >To: HEDIR-L@SIU.EDU
> >
> >
> >And at least in North Carolina you can be a certified teacher teaching
> >health and not even have a minor in school health.
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Cissell, William [mailto:WCissell@MAIL.TWU.EDU]
> >Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 6:29 PM
> >To: HEDIR-L@SIU.EDU
> >Subject: Teachers are "certified"
> >
> >
> >** Texas A&M; Health and Safety Chair/Professor (11/21)
> >** <http://www.hpcareer.net/jobspage_univ.cfm>
> >**
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> >
> >HEDIRs Interested in the Licensure/Certification Thread:
> >
> >Nancy will probably be deluged with responses asserting that teachers are
> >certified in each state. In fact the teaching certificate is a license,
> >because the professional cannot teach without the "certificate." A
> >license is a credential required by law in order to
> >practice. Certificates are typically voluntary credentials that a
> >professional chooses to attain to demonstrate a particular standard of
> >competence.
> >
> >Bill Cissell
> >
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> >** Oct 21-27, 2002
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> >** Celebrate National Health Education Week
> >** Oct 21-27, 2002
> >**
>
> Mark J. Kittleson, PhD, FAAHB
> Professor, Health Education
> Graduate Director, Health Education & Recreation
> Home Page: www.kittle.siu.edu
> The HEDIR Home Page: www.hedir.org
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> ** Celebrate National Health Education Week
> ** Oct 21-27, 2002
> **
>
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#1123
Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 13:18:51 -0400
From: Stuart Fors <stufors@ARCHES.UGA.EDU>
Subject: Fwd: Re: Teachers are "certified"
** Texas A&M; Health and Safety Chair/Professor (11/21)
** <http://www.hpcareer.net/jobspage_univ.cfm>
**
** The Leader in Health Education-AAHE
** The Exclusive Sponsor of the HEDIR
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**
Mark,et al: I've been in this profession close to 40 years and your
discussions tell me that unfortunately, nothing has changed in our
schools related to who teaches health education classes. stu fors
On Fri, 25 Oct 2002 08:38:12 -0500 "Mark J. Kittleson, Ph.D., FAAHB"
<kittle@SIU.EDU> wrote:
> Both Val and Bill (and others) have indicated teachers are indeed
> "licensed". Can't argue with that, BUT, we also must realize that there
> are so many loopholes at getting teachers 'certified' to teach in a public
> school. Few states (i.e., NC, ME) require a full-fledge degree in health
> to teach health. Most states just have a minimum certification (not just
> in health but in any topic). In addition, the schools have found a way to
> get those with absolutely no criteria to get 'licensed' to teach, thus
> negating the purpose of the 'license'.
>
> Case in point...my neighbor, nice fella, was hired by Carbondale as the
> basket ball coach. He also is "teaching" health. Not too many of us have
> a 'health educator' as a neighbor so as they are moving in our discussions
> go to work related matters. I asked him where he graduated from
> school...Ball State...."Ball State...great place. I know some great people
> there...Jim McKenzie?" "Aw, no, don't know him..." "How about Herb
> Jones?"..."Naw, never heard of him". Went through about 3 or 4 other
> names. Finally I asked, what did you major in? "Physical Education". I
> then asked "certainly you took some health courses?" "No, didn't need to."
>
> This person is teaching 2 or 3 sections of health at my kid's high
> school. The other health teacher, a legitimate health educator, is
> furious. The basketball coach gives out reading assignments each day, then
> gives a quiz.
>
> We've all seen this at our locations...athletics is more important than
> teaching. It hits hard with subjects like health, because the students get
> so little to begin with. So, yes, technically teachers need to be
> licensed/certified. But if you are really important, there's way to get
> around it.
>
> By the way, the way the schools get around it is that they petition the
> state for a 'provisional' certification. This provisional is good for five
> years and the person must make headway into moving into a more permanent
> status. BUT, they (the state) don't follow-up after those five years, and
> re-issue another provisional.
>
> Another important lesson why health educators need to get involved with
> their communities, voting, running for school board, raising hell with the
> poor quality educational system that has taken over the country.
>
Stu Fors, Professor and Head
Dept. of Health Promotion and Behavior
University of Georgia
307 Ramsey Student Center
Athens, GA 30602-6522
706.542.4365; FAX 4956
------------------------------
#1124
Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 13:33:16 EDT
From: "Alice R. McCarthy" <BridgeComm@AOL.COM>
Subject: health education films
** Texas A&M; Health and Safety Chair/Professor (11/21)
** <http://www.hpcareer.net/jobspage_univ.cfm>
**
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As the author of a national curriculum in health education, Health 'n Me, for
students in grades K-6, I am seeking three films to update: 1) for students
in grades one on seat belt safety; 2) for students in grade two on safe
walking; and 3) for students in grade two on germs and HIV/AIDS.
Any suggestions? If you have questions please contact me.
Thank you very much,
Alice R. McCarthy, Ph.D.
President, Bridge Communications Inc.
1450 Pilgrim Road
Birmingham, MI 48009
(248)646-1020
bridgecomm@aol.com
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#1125
Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 13:35:52 -0400
From: "Ghanem, Nina (NIH/NCI)" <ghanemn@MAIL.NIH.GOV>
Subject: Job Announcement
** Texas A&M; Health and Safety Chair/Professor (11/21)
** <http://www.hpcareer.net/jobspage_univ.cfm>
**
** The Leader in Health Education-AAHE
** The Exclusive Sponsor of the HEDIR
** <http://www.aahperd.org/aahe/template.cfm>
**
FYI...forwarding this for a colleague...
Thanks,
Nina
NINA GHANEM, M.Ed., CHES
Communications Coordinator
Office of Liaison Activities
National Cancer Institute
National Institutes of Health
6116 Executive Blvd.
Suite 3068A, MSC 8324
Bethesda, MD 20892-8324
301-594-3194 office, 301-480-7558 fax
<http://la.cancer.gov> http://la.cancer.gov
*** PLEASE POST/FORWARD THIS JOB ANNOUNCEMENT TO ALL STUDENTS AND
GRADUATES ***
Washington, DC: One or more part-time (20+ hours/week) Health
Educator(s)/Health Counselor(s), with direct intervention and project
director interests is/are needed to work on extramurally funded,
multi-site research studies conducted with pediatric clinical
populations affected by medical illness. Project I (Georgetown
University Medical Center) involves a randomized controlled trial of
health promotion counseling with adolescent and young adult cancer
survivors. The intervention teaches participants how to make healthy
lifestyle choices, such as eating a balanced diet, exercising regularly,
avoiding excessive sun exposure, and not smoking. Project II
(Children's National Medical Center) involves a randomized controlled
trial of health promotion counseling for children with diabetes and
their parents. The intervention teaches participants diabetes
self-management principles and strategies and family communication
skills. The successful applicant (or applicants) will be knowledgeable
about health behavior/education, theory, change, and intervention, and
will have the following qualifications: master's degree in health
education, public health, psychology, counseling, nutrition, or a
closely related field, with experience and interest in working with
pediatric populations, protocol-driven or manualized interventions, and
randomized clinical trials or intervention within a clinical research
setting; background in nutrition and/or patient education and
counseling; very strong organizational and project direction skills; and
meticulous attention to detail. Ongoing research training and
supervision will be provided by study Investigators; advanced graduate
students are also encouraged to apply. Position(s) will remain open
until filled and salary will depend upon qualifications. Opportunity
for full-time work may exist for highly qualified and skilled
applicants. To apply, mail, fax, or e-mail a cover letter (1 page
maximum) detailing your background, training, and interests, along with
your resume/CV, to: HABIT Health Educator Search Committee, c/o Ms.
Kristin Beville, Georgetown University Medical Center, 2233 Wisconsin
Avenue, NW, Suite 317, Washington, DC 20007-4104; fax 202-687-8444;
e-mail habit@georgetown.edu <mailto:habit@georgetown.edu> .
Rolf A. Peterson, Ph.D.
Director of Clinical Psychology Training
Department of Psychology
The George Washington University
Washington, D.C., 20052
Ph - 202-994-6544
E-mail - roilp@gwu.edu
fax - 202-994-1602
------------------------------
#1126
Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 14:02:38 -0400
From: "Ghanem, Nina (NIH/NCI)" <ghanemn@MAIL.NIH.GOV>
Subject: Job Announcement
** Texas A&M; Health and Safety Chair/Professor (11/21)
** <http://www.hpcareer.net/jobspage_univ.cfm>
**
** The Leader in Health Education-AAHE
** The Exclusive Sponsor of the HEDIR
** <http://www.aahperd.org/aahe/template.cfm>
**
FYI...I am passing this along for a colleague.
Thanks,
Nina
_____
NINA GHANEM, M.Ed., CHES
Communications Coordinator
Office of Liaison Activities
National Cancer Institute
National Institutes of Health
Department of Health and Human Services
6116 Executive Blvd.
Suite 3068A, MSC 8324
Bethesda, MD 20892-8324
301-594-3194 office, 301-480-7558 fax
http://la.cancer.gov
I thought this might be of interest on the HEDIR listserv?
*** PLEASE POST/FORWARD THIS JOB ANNOUNCEMENT TO ALL STUDENTS AND
GRADUATES ***
Washington, DC: One or more part-time (20+ hours/week) Health
Educator(s)/Health Counselor(s), with direct intervention and project
director interests is/are needed to work on extramurally funded,
multi-site research studies conducted with pediatric clinical
populations affected by medical illness. Project I (Georgetown
University Medical Center) involves a randomized controlled trial of
health promotion counseling with adolescent and young adult cancer
survivors. The intervention teaches participants how to make healthy
lifestyle choices, such as eating a balanced diet, exercising regularly,
avoiding excessive sun exposure, and not smoking. Project II
(Children's National Medical Center) involves a randomized controlled
trial of health promotion counseling for children with diabetes and
their parents. The intervention teaches participants diabetes
self-management principles and strategies and family communication
skills. The successful applicant (or applicants) will be knowledgeable
about health behavior/education, theory, change, and intervention, and
will have the following qualifications: master's degree in health
education, public health, psychology, counseling, nutrition, or a
closely related field, with experience and interest in working with
pediatric populations, protocol-driven or manualized interventions, and
randomized clinical trials or intervention within a clinical research
setting; background in nutrition and/or patient education and
counseling; very strong organizational and project direction skills; and
meticulous attention to detail. Ongoing research training and
supervision will be provided by study Investigators; advanced graduate
students are also encouraged to apply. Position(s) will remain open
until filled and salary will depend upon qualifications. Opportunity
for full-time work may exist for highly qualified and skilled
applicants. To apply, mail, fax, or e-mail a cover letter (1 page
maximum) detailing your background, training, and interests, along with
your resume/CV, to: HABIT Health Educator Search Committee, c/o Ms.
Kristin Beville, Georgetown University Medical Center, 2233 Wisconsin
Avenue, NW, Suite 317, Washington, DC 20007-4104; fax 202-687-8444;
e-mail habit@georgetown.edu.
Rolf A. Peterson, Ph.D.
Director of Clinical Psychology Training
Department of Psychology
The George Washington University
Washington, D.C., 20052
Ph - 202-994-6544
E-mail - roilp@gwu.edu
fax - 202-994-1602
------------------------------
#1127
Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 14:14:28 -0400
From: Elbert Glover <eglover@HSC.WVU.EDU>
Subject: NovDec Am J Health Behav(3)
** Texas A&M; Health and Safety Chair/Professor (11/21)
** <http://www.hpcareer.net/jobspage_univ.cfm>
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Dear HEDIR Member:
The November/December issue of the Am J Health Behav has gone to press
and will be out within 7-10 days. For a preview of the issue, enclosed
please find the table of contents. If you would like to view an
abstract for any manuscript, tap into the link at www.ajhb.org/26-6.htm
.
Please excuse any cross postings.
Volume 26 Number 6, November/December 2002
Proceedings of the II Scientific Meeting of the American Academy of
Health Behavior, March 24-27, 2002, Napa Valley, CA
Opening Ceremony, Awards and Presentation of the 2002 Research Laureate
Award
Elbert D. Glover, PhD, FAAHB
Chudley E. Werch, PhD, FAAHB
Lawrence W. Green, DrPH, FAAHB
Research Laureate Presentation: Positive Youth Development Requires
Comprehensive Health Promotion Programs
Brian R. Flay, DPhil, FAAHB
Rigorous, Rapid, Reliable and Qualitative? Computing in Qualitative
Method
Lyn Richards, MA
Physician-patient Interaction and Hysterectomy Decision Making: The
ENDOW Study
Donna L. Richter, EdD, FAAHB
Melissa J. Kenzig, MSPH, CHES
Mary L. Greaney, MPH, CHES
Robert E. McKeown, PhD
Ruth P. Sanders, PhD
Sara J. Corwin, MPH, PhD
Visual Illness Narratives of Asthma: Explanatory Models and
Health-related Behavior
Michael Rich, MD, MPH
Jennifer Patashnick, BS
Richard Chalfen, PhD
Risk Factors and Behaviors Associated with Adolescent Violence and
Aggression
Robert F. Valois, PhD, MPH, FASHA, FAAHB
John M. MacDonald, PhD
Lena Bretous, MD, MPH
Megan A. Fischer, MPH
J. Wanzer Drane, PE, PhD, FSS, MISI
Risk Behavior Data Analysis: Ordinal or Dichotomous, The Choice is
Yours
J. Wanzer Drane, PE, PhD, FSS, MISI
Robert F. Valois, PhD, MPH, FASHA, FAAHB
Antecedents of Adolescent Initiation of Sex, Contraceptive Use and
Pregnancy
Douglas Kirby, PhD
School-based Obesity Prevention: A Blueprint for Taming the Epidemic
Tom Baranowski, PhD
Karen W. Cullen, DrPH, RD, LD
Theresa Nicklas, DrPH, LN
Deborah Thompson, PhD, MS, RD
Janice Baranowski, MPH, RD, LD
The Promise and Challenge of eHealth Interventions
Nancy L. Atkinson, PhD
Robert S. Gold, PhD, DrPH, FAAHB
Research Collaboratories: Their Potential for Health Behavior
Researchers
James M. Carver, MAA
Robert S. Gold, PhD, DrPH, FAAHB
Closing of the II Scientific Meeting of the American Academy of Health
Behavior
Chudley E. Werch, PhD, FAAHB
2002 Subject and Author Index
Robert M. Weiler, PhD, MPH, Index Editor
Lisa N. Pealer, PhD, Assistant Index Editor
glover
Elbert D Glover
RCBHSC/WVUSoM
Addiction & Psychiatric Medicine Research
PO Box 9135 (Express mail will deliver to this address)
Morgantown WV 26506-9135 USA
304-293-7597 Work
304-293-4693 Fax
304-276-1803 Cell
eglover@hsc.wvu.edu
Web site: www.apmresearch.com
Attend the 3rd Scientific Meeting of the American Academy of Health
Behavior in St Augustine, Florida, March 16-19, 2003 [ www.aahb.org ]
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#1128
Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 11:35:30 -0400
From: kbruce <kbruce@UMBC.EDU>
Subject: Re: Teachers are "certified"
** Texas A&M; Health and Safety Chair/Professor (11/21)
** <http://www.hpcareer.net/jobspage_univ.cfm>
**
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Just my opinion...
Kari
Will licenses to teach and/or certifications within content area
improve a child's education? In some cases yes, and others no. If a
teachers becomes certified in mathematics and in doing so picks up a few new
skills in the process, this teacher could improve the education of a
student. A rogue mathematics teachers who supplements his/her curriculum
with a different approach to geometry could be praised by a school board for
acting as an exemplary teacher and possibly receive rewards for his/her
efforts. A health educator, regardless of certification, who teaches
students about a new contraceptive method could be punished for their
effort. The questions of policy has little to do with certification or
licensing policies. We could have health educators or English teachers
teaching health education in schools, but the fact remains that the majority
of schools, in the areas of the country that have worst public health
problems, are strictly curriculum based. The English teacher and the health
educator who stray from the school's predetermined health education
curriculum suffer the same consequences. The policies that need to change
are school curricula and policies (most implicit) limit the health educators
opportunity to teach. Once the policies/content of school curricula begin
to shift and health educators are treated the same as a mathematics teacher,
then a health education certification will matter.
Currently, most school curricula use a knowledge based approach. Any
licensed teacher should be able to disseminate knowledge from the same book
that their students read. Health educators would be able to make a
difference if schools allowed educators to use attitudinal or behavioral
approaches. Considering the three types of approaches (knowledge,
attitudes, and behavior), knowledge is the most contextually specific. Once
a student leaves the classroom most of the knowledge of health education is
left in that classroom. In addition, most knowledge based approaches are
hierarchical. A teacher, in an authoritative role, tells the students the
facts, and students do not have the opportunity to contribute to the class.
Once a student shifts into an out of school context, a student contributes
to the knowledge base of his/her peer group (i.e., a context to contribute).
The peer context is the context in which most health education behaviors are
made, and where the attitudes toward many health behaviors is reified.
Without giving students an opportunity to express themselves in the
classroom, an environment in which a teacher could act as a facilitator or
advisor, many students only opportunity to be heard is with their
unsupervised peer group. Unless a student has internalized health values
from prior experience or parental involvement and/or has a positive health
peer group, then a student is left to figure out the world based on
experiential learning with a peer group. In the case of the rebellious
child, he or she will "behave badly". Behaving badly in the United States
involves using drugs, violence, and sexual activity. An overall cultural
shift needs to occur in which "behaving badly" is redefined. One way for
this to be accomplished is to normalize and to place into the
proper/representative the topics of violence, sex, and drug use. Changing
curricula content and allowing certified health educators to teach in an
open and accepting environment will help to facilitate this cultural shift.
The moralistic approaches that have been used in the United States have not
worked and will not work (e.g., prohibition and abstinence only sex
education programs). The disease model used frequently in health does not
and will not work either. To say that alcoholics, for example, are diseased
is quite a statement. People carry out behavior patterns based on a complex
history biology and the environment. A diseased person also needs the help
of an expert and does not have control (the disease has control). A change
needs to occur in health education curricula to include methods that help to
internalize locus of control. Effecting change in curricula and
administrative policy, in my opinion, needs to precede resolving the issue
of teacher certification.
===== Original Message From "Mark J. Kittleson, Ph.D., FAAHB" <kittle@SIU.EDU>
=====
>** Texas A&M; Health and Safety Chair/Professor (11/21)
>** <http://www.hpcareer.net/jobspage_univ.cfm>
>**
>** The Leader in Health Education-AAHE
>** The Exclusive Sponsor of the HEDIR
>** <http://www.aahperd.org/aahe/template.cfm>
>**
>
>Both Val and Bill (and others) have indicated teachers are indeed
>"licensed". Can't argue with that, BUT, we also must realize that there
>are so many loopholes at getting teachers 'certified' to teach in a public
>school. Few states (i.e., NC, ME) require a full-fledge degree in health
>to teach health. Most states just have a minimum certification (not just
>in health but in any topic). In addition, the schools have found a way to
>get those with absolutely no criteria to get 'licensed' to teach, thus
>negating the purpose of the 'license'.
>
>Case in point...my neighbor, nice fella, was hired by Carbondale as the
>basket ball coach. He also is "teaching" health. Not too many of us have
>a 'health educator' as a neighbor so as they are moving in our discussions
>go to work related matters. I asked him where he graduated from
>school...Ball State...."Ball State...great place. I know some great people
>there...Jim McKenzie?" "Aw, no, don't know him..." "How about Herb
>Jones?"..."Naw, never heard of him". Went through about 3 or 4 other
>names. Finally I asked, what did you major in? "Physical Education". I
>then asked "certainly you took some health courses?" "No, didn't need to."
>
>This person is teaching 2 or 3 sections of health at my kid's high
>school. The other health teacher, a legitimate health educator, is
>furious. The basketball coach gives out reading assignments each day, then
>gives a quiz.
>
>We've all seen this at our locations...athletics is more important than
>teaching. It hits hard with subjects like health, because the students get
>so little to begin with. So, yes, technically teachers need to be
>licensed/certified. But if you are really important, there's way to get
>around it.
>
>By the way, the way the schools get around it is that they petition the
>state for a 'provisional' certification. This provisional is good for five
>years and the person must make headway into moving into a more permanent
>status. BUT, they (the state) don't follow-up after those five years, and
>re-issue another provisional.
>
>Another important lesson why health educators need to get involved with
>their communities, voting, running for school board, raising hell with the
>poor quality educational system that has taken over the country.
>
>
>>From: Valorie Nybo <nybo@EMAIL.WCU.EDU>
>>Subject: Re: Teachers are "certified"
>>To: HEDIR-L@SIU.EDU
>>
>>
>>And at least in North Carolina you can be a certified teacher teaching
>>health and not even have a minor in school health.
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Cissell, William [mailto:WCissell@MAIL.TWU.EDU]
>>Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 6:29 PM
>>To: HEDIR-L@SIU.EDU
>>Subject: Teachers are "certified"
>>
>>
>>** Texas A&M; Health and Safety Chair/Professor (11/21)
>>** <http://www.hpcareer.net/jobspage_univ.cfm>
>>**
>>** The Leader in Health Education-AAHE
>>** The Exclusive Sponsor of the HEDIR
>>** <http://www.aahperd.org/aahe/template.cfm>
>>**
>>
>>HEDIRs Interested in the Licensure/Certification Thread:
>>
>>Nancy will probably be deluged with responses asserting that teachers are
>>certified in each state. In fact the teaching certificate is a license,
>>because the professional cannot teach without the "certificate." A
>>license is a credential required by law in order to
>>practice. Certificates are typically voluntary credentials that a
>>professional chooses to attain to demonstrate a particular standard of
>>competence.
>>
>>Bill Cissell
>>
>>** Join Us For the HEDIR Luncheon
>>** www.hedir.org/lunch
>>**
>>** Advertise Jobs On The HEDIR
>>** http://www.hpcareer.net/hedir.cfm
>>**
>>** Celebrate National Health Education Week
>>** Oct 21-27, 2002
>>**
>>
>>** Join Us For the HEDIR Luncheon
>>** www.hedir.org/lunch
>>**
>>** Advertise Jobs On The HEDIR
>>** http://www.hpcareer.net/hedir.cfm
>>**
>>** Celebrate National Health Education Week
>>** Oct 21-27, 2002
>>**
>
>Mark J. Kittleson, PhD, FAAHB
>Professor, Health Education
>Graduate Director, Health Education & Recreation
>Home Page: www.kittle.siu.edu
>The HEDIR Home Page: www.hedir.org
>The IEJHE: www.iejhe.org
>
>** Join Us For the HEDIR Luncheon
>** www.hedir.org/lunch
>**
>** Advertise Jobs On The HEDIR
>** http://www.hpcareer.net/hedir.cfm
>**
>** Celebrate National Health Education Week
>** Oct 21-27, 2002
>**
Kari L. Bruce, MPH, CHES
Health Educator
University Health Services
University of Maryland, Baltimore County
1000 Hilltop Circle
Baltimore, Maryland 21250
Phone: 410-455-1599
Fax: 410-455-1125
kbruce@umbc.edu
The greatest of follies is to sacrifice health for any other kind of happiness.
Schopenhauer, Arthur
------------------------------
#1129
Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 12:41:33 -0400
From: Sandra Michelle Maltzman <sm673@COLUMBIA.EDU>
Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: Teachers are "certified"
** Texas A&M; Health and Safety Chair/Professor (11/21)
** <http://www.hpcareer.net/jobspage_univ.cfm>
**
** The Leader in Health Education-AAHE
** The Exclusive Sponsor of the HEDIR
** <http://www.aahperd.org/aahe/template.cfm>
**
Hello - My name is Sandra and I've been a lurker on this board for a
while. I love this discussion. I am a Dietitian at Columbia University
and in May finished my Master's from Columbia's "Teacher's College" in
Health Ed. I'm also CHES certified. - To only find out from the state
of NJ that I am not qualified to teach school health. When they said 'not
qualified - I was so mad. I'm and RD, CHES with a masters in health ed.
(the program is not recognized by the state for education)
I was told that I now need to go back for basic education and
phys ed if I want a job in a school. I was also told that it would be
down right in possible
to get provisionary license for health only. If I have the knowledge
and passion and I can't teach health - who is teaching our children?
I agree there is something wrong with schools neglecting school health
and putting untrained personel in these positions.
Enjoy your weekend everyone.
------------------------------
#1130
Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 13:44:24 -0400
From: Valorie Nybo <nybo@EMAIL.WCU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: Teachers are "certified"
** Texas A&M; Health and Safety Chair/Professor (11/21)
** <http://www.hpcareer.net/jobspage_univ.cfm>
**
** The Leader in Health Education-AAHE
** The Exclusive Sponsor of the HEDIR
** <http://www.aahperd.org/aahe/template.cfm>
**
I believe we are trapped in this cycle where unqualified people teach health in
public schools and colleges and young people grow up with that experience as
their opinion of Health Educators. No one could place a great deal of importance
on a subject that is supposedly taught by someone who has never in their lives
had a health class. Then as adults those former students perpetuate the idea
that anyone can teach health so "anyone" is allowed to teach health and the
cycle continues.
-----Original Message-----
Okay, this is a little off the subject, but maybe it should be required that
graduating health education (undergraduate and graduate) students take the
CHES exam or become a registered health educator in that state. Something
needs to be done to ensure that the health education profession is
uplifted/respected/recognized....
Okay, back on the current subject, YES, YES, YES school officials and school
districts "methods" for teachers becoming certified is questionable. What
would happen if there was a nationwide shortage of health educators? Or
maybe the question should be do we have a shortage of health educators?
-----Original Message-----
From: The HEDIR is operated by Mark J. Kittleson, SIUC
[mailto:HEDIR-L@siu.edu]On Behalf Of Margo Harris
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2002 10:58 AM
To: HEDIR-L@SIU.EDU
Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: Teachers are "certified"
** Texas A&M; Health and Safety Chair/Professor (11/21)
** <http://www.hpcareer.net/jobspage_univ.cfm>
**
** The Leader in Health Education-AAHE
** The Exclusive Sponsor of the HEDIR
** <http://www.aahperd.org/aahe/template.cfm>
**
Actually, in Washington we call it an "emergency" certificate. What Mark
says is all too true. There is a teacher shortage in most states, and
school districts get very creative in how they solve that.
Ironically, the credential for health and fitness in Washington has recently
changed. It is now a combined health/fitness certificate, with health all
but disappearing. Our "health" teachers are PE/fitness teachers or they are
consumer science/family life teachers (not a bad thing actually but probably
not considered by some here as qualified). As standardized tests have
kicked in, health has begun disappearing from middle and high school and you
would be hard pressed to find a "health" teacher in our schools. We have
annual challenges in the legislature of health and fitness requirements,
with a group determined to get them eliminated entirely. After all, "we
really don't need health and PE, do we?" Margo
Margo Harris
Seattle, WA
206/932-1273
Email: margo@pnwhealth.com
Internet: www.pnwhealth.com
PNW SOPHE Job Bank: www.pnwhealth.com/jobbank.htm
"I know God won't give me anything I can't handle.
I just wish (s)he didn't trust me so much." Mother Theresa
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark J. Kittleson, Ph.D., FAAHB" <kittle@siu.edu>
To: <HEDIR-L@SIU.EDU>
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2002 6:38 AM
Subject: Fwd: Re: Teachers are "certified"
> ** Texas A&M; Health and Safety Chair/Professor (11/21)
> ** <http://www.hpcareer.net/jobspage_univ.cfm>
> **
> ** The Leader in Health Education-AAHE
> ** The Exclusive Sponsor of the HEDIR
> ** <http://www.aahperd.org/aahe/template.cfm>
> **
>
> Both Val and Bill (and others) have indicated teachers are indeed
> "licensed". Can't argue with that, BUT, we also must realize that there
> are so many loopholes at getting teachers 'certified' to teach in a public
> school. Few states (i.e., NC, ME) require a full-fledge degree in health
> to teach health. Most states just have a minimum certification (not just
> in health but in any topic). In addition, the schools have found a way to
> get those with absolutely no criteria to get 'licensed' to teach, thus
> negating the purpose of the 'license'.
>
> Case in point...my neighbor, nice fella, was hired by Carbondale as the
> basket ball coach. He also is "teaching" health. Not too many of us have
> a 'health educator' as a neighbor so as they are moving in our discussions
> go to work related matters. I asked him where he graduated from
> school...Ball State...."Ball State...great place. I know some great
people
> there...Jim McKenzie?" "Aw, no, don't know him..." "How about Herb
> Jones?"..."Naw, never heard of him". Went through about 3 or 4 other
> names. Finally I asked, what did you major in? "Physical Education". I
> then asked "certainly you took some health courses?" "No, didn't need
to."
>
> This person is teaching 2 or 3 sections of health at my kid's high
> school. The other health teacher, a legitimate health educator, is
> furious. The basketball coach gives out reading assignments each day,
then
> gives a quiz.
>
> We've all seen this at our locations...athletics is more important than
> teaching. It hits hard with subjects like health, because the students
get
> so little to begin with. So, yes, technically teachers need to be
> licensed/certified. But if you are really important, there's way to get
> around it.
>
> By the way, the way the schools get around it is that they petition the
> state for a 'provisional' certification. This provisional is good for
five
> years and the person must make headway into moving into a more permanent
> status. BUT, they (the state) don't follow-up after those five years, and
> re-issue another provisional.
>
> Another important lesson why health educators need to get involved with
> their communities, voting, running for school board, raising hell with the
> poor quality educational system that has taken over the country.
>
>
> >From: Valorie Nybo <nybo@EMAIL.WCU.EDU>
> >Subject: Re: Teachers are "certified"
> >To: HEDIR-L@SIU.EDU
> >
> >
> >And at least in North Carolina you can be a certified teacher teaching
> >health and not even have a minor in school health.
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Cissell, William [mailto:WCissell@MAIL.TWU.EDU]
> >Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 6:29 PM
> >To: HEDIR-L@SIU.EDU
> >Subject: Teachers are "certified"
> >
> >
> >** Texas A&M; Health and Safety Chair/Professor (11/21)
> >** <http://www.hpcareer.net/jobspage_univ.cfm>
> >**
> >** The Leader in Health Education-AAHE
> >** The Exclusive Sponsor of the HEDIR
> >** <http://www.aahperd.org/aahe/template.cfm>
> >**
> >
> >HEDIRs Interested in the Licensure/Certification Thread:
> >
> >Nancy will probably be deluged with responses asserting that teachers are
> >certified in each state. In fact the teaching certificate is a license,
> >because the professional cannot teach without the "certificate." A
> >license is a credential required by law in order to
> >practice. Certificates are typically voluntary credentials that a
> >professional chooses to attain to demonstrate a particular standard of
> >competence.
> >
> >Bill Cissell
> >
> >** Join Us For the HEDIR Luncheon
> >** www.hedir.org/lunch
> >**
> >** Advertise Jobs On The HEDIR
> >** http://www.hpcareer.net/hedir.cfm
> >**
> >** Celebrate National Health Education Week
> >** Oct 21-27, 2002
> >**
> >
> >** Join Us For the HEDIR Luncheon
> >** www.hedir.org/lunch
> >**
> >** Advertise Jobs On The HEDIR
> >** http://www.hpcareer.net/hedir.cfm
> >**
> >** Celebrate National Health Education Week
> >** Oct 21-27, 2002
> >**
>
> Mark J. Kittleson, PhD, FAAHB
> Professor, Health Education
> Graduate Director, Health Education & Recreation
> Home Page: www.kittle.siu.edu
> The HEDIR Home Page: www.hedir.org
> The IEJHE: www.iejhe.org
>
> ** Join Us For the HEDIR Luncheon
> ** www.hedir.org/lunch
> **
> ** Advertise Jobs On The HEDIR
> ** http://www.hpcareer.net/hedir.cfm
> **
> ** Celebrate National Health Education Week
> ** Oct 21-27, 2002
> **
>
** Join Us For the HEDIR Luncheon
** www.hedir.org/lunch
**
** Advertise Jobs On The HEDIR
** http://www.hpcareer.net/hedir.cfm
**
** Celebrate National Health Education Week
** Oct 21-27, 2002
**
** Join Us For the HEDIR Luncheon
** www.hedir.org/lunch
**
** Advertise Jobs On The HEDIR
** http://www.hpcareer.net/hedir.cfm
**
** Celebrate National Health Education Week
** Oct 21-27, 2002
**
------------------------------
#1131
Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 14:19:46 -0400
From: "Ghanem, Nina (NIH/NCI)" <ghanemn@MAIL.NIH.GOV>
Subject: Regarding job posting
** Texas A&M; Health and Safety Chair/Professor (11/21)
** <http://www.hpcareer.net/jobspage_univ.cfm>
**
** The Leader in Health Education-AAHE
** The Exclusive Sponsor of the HEDIR
** <http://www.aahperd.org/aahe/template.cfm>
**
Hello! Sorry, I didn't realize there was a protocol for posting positions
on the HEDIR list serv. I apologize for not following that protocol for the
position I previously posted. It won't happen again. Thanks and have a
great weekend.
Nina
---------------------------------
NINA GHANEM, M.Ed., CHES
Communications Coordinator
Office of Liaison Activities
National Cancer Institute
National Institutes of Health
6116 Executive Blvd.
Suite 3068A, MSC 8324
Bethesda, MD 20892-8324
301-594-3194 office, 301-480-7558 fax
<http://la.cancer.gov/> http://la.cancer.gov
------------------------------
#1132
Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 14:29:00 -0400
From: kbruce <kbruce@UMBC.EDU>
Subject: Certification Discussion
** Texas A&M; Health and Safety Chair/Professor (11/21)
** <http://www.hpcareer.net/jobspage_univ.cfm>
**
** The Leader in Health Education-AAHE
** The Exclusive Sponsor of the HEDIR
** <http://www.aahperd.org/aahe/template.cfm>
**
Just my opinion...
Kari
Will licenses to teach and/or certifications within content area
improve a child's education? In some cases yes, and others no. If a
teachers becomes certified in mathematics and in doing so picks up a few new
skills in the process, this teacher could improve the education of a
student. A rogue mathematics teachers who supplements his/her curriculum
with a different approach to geometry could be praised by a school board for
acting as an exemplary teacher and possibly receive rewards for his/her
efforts. A health educator, regardless of certification, who teaches
students about a new contraceptive method could be punished for their
effort. The questions of policy has little to do with certification or
licensing policies. We could have health educators or English teachers
teaching health education in schools, but the fact remains that the majority
of schools, in the areas of the country that have worst public health
problems, are strictly curriculum based. The English teacher and the health
educator who stray from the school's predetermined health education
curriculum suffer the same consequences. The policies that need to change
are school curricula and policies (most implicit) limit the health educators
opportunity to teach. Once the policies/content of school curricula begin
to shift and health educators are treated the same as a mathematics teacher,
then a health education certification will matter.
Currently, most school curricula use a knowledge based approach. Any
licensed teacher should be able to disseminate knowledge from the same book
that their students read. Health educators would be able to make a
difference if schools allowed educators to use attitudinal or behavioral
approaches. Considering the three types of approaches (knowledge,
attitudes, and behavior), knowledge is the most contextually specific. Once
a student leaves the classroom most of the knowledge of health education is
left in that classroom. In addition, most knowledge based approaches are
hierarchical. A teacher, in an authoritative role, tells the students the
facts, and students do not have the opportunity to contribute to the class.
Once a student shifts into an out of school context, a student contributes
to the knowledge base of his/her peer group (i.e., a context to contribute).
The peer context is the context in which most health education behaviors are
made, and where the attitudes toward many health behaviors is reified.
Without giving students an opportunity to express themselves in the
classroom, an environment in which a teacher could act as a facilitator or
advisor, many students only opportunity to be heard is with their
unsupervised peer group. Unless a student has internalized health values
from prior experience or parental involvement and/or has a positive health
peer group, then a student is left to figure out the world based on
experiential learning with a peer group. In the case of the rebellious
child, he or she will "behave badly". Behaving badly in the United States
involves using drugs, violence, and sexual activity. An overall cultural
shift needs to occur in which "behaving badly" is redefined. One way for
this to be accomplished is to normalize and to place into the
proper/representative the topics of violence, sex, and drug use. Changing
curricula content and allowing certified health educators to teach in an
open and accepting environment will help to facilitate this cultural shift.
The moralistic approaches that have been used in the United States have not
worked and will not work (e.g., prohibition and abstinence only sex
education programs). The disease model used frequently in health does not
and will not work either. To say that alcoholics, for example, are diseased
is quite a statement. People carry out behavior patterns based on a complex
history biology and the environment. A diseased person also needs the help
of an expert and does not have control (the disease has control). A change
needs to occur in health education curricula to include methods that help to
internalize locus of control. Effecting change in curricula and
administrative policy, in my opinion, needs to precede resolving the issue
of teacher certification.
===== Original Message From "Mark J. Kittleson, Ph.D., FAAHB" <kittle@SIU.EDU>
=====
>** Texas A&M; Health and Safety Chair/Professor (11/21)
>** <http://www.hpcareer.net/jobspage_univ.cfm>
>**
>** The Leader in Health Education-AAHE
>** The Exclusive Sponsor of the HEDIR
>** <http://www.aahperd.org/aahe/template.cfm>
>**
>
>Both Val and Bill (and others) have indicated teachers are indeed
>"licensed". Can't argue with that, BUT, we also must realize that there
>are so many loopholes at getting teachers 'certified' to teach in a public
>school. Few states (i.e., NC, ME) require a full-fledge degree in health
>to teach health. Most states just have a minimum certification (not just
>in health but in any topic). In addition, the schools have found a way to
>get those with absolutely no criteria to get 'licensed' to teach, thus
>negating the purpose of the 'license'.
>
>Case in point...my neighbor, nice fella, was hired by Carbondale as the
>basket ball coach. He also is "teaching" health. Not too many of us have
>a 'health educator' as a neighbor so as they are moving in our discussions
>go to work related matters. I asked him where he graduated from
>school...Ball State...."Ball State...great place. I know some great people
>there...Jim McKenzie?" "Aw, no, don't know him..." "How about Herb
>Jones?"..."Naw, never heard of him". Went through about 3 or 4 other
>names. Finally I asked, what did you major in? "Physical Education". I
>then asked "certainly you took some health courses?" "No, didn't need to."
>
>This person is teaching 2 or 3 sections of health at my kid's high
>school. The other health teacher, a legitimate health educator, is
>furious. The basketball coach gives out reading assignments each day, then
>gives a quiz.
>
>We've all seen this at our locations...athletics is more important than
>teaching. It hits hard with subjects like health, because the students get
>so little to begin with. So, yes, technically teachers need to be
>licensed/certified. But if you are really important, there's way to get
>around it.
>
>By the way, the way the schools get around it is that they petition the
>state for a 'provisional' certification. This provisional is good for five
>years and the person must make headway into moving into a more permanent
>status. BUT, they (the state) don't follow-up after those five years, and
>re-issue another provisional.
>
>Another important lesson why health educators need to get involved with
>their communities, voting, running for school board, raising hell with the
>poor quality educational system that has taken over the country.
>
>
>>From: Valorie Nybo <nybo@EMAIL.WCU.EDU>
>>Subject: Re: Teachers are "certified"
>>To: HEDIR-L@SIU.EDU
>>
>>
>>And at least in North Carolina you can be a certified teacher teaching
>>health and not even have a minor in school health.
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Cissell, William [WCissell@MAIL.TWU.EDU]
>>Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 6:29 PM
>>To: HEDIR-L@SIU.EDU
>>Subject: Teachers are "certified"
>>
>>
>>** Texas A&M; Health and Safety Chair/Professor (11/21)
>>** <http://www.hpcareer.net/jobspage_univ.cfm>
>>**
>>** The Leader in Health Education-AAHE
>>** The Exclusive Sponsor of the HEDIR
>>** <http://www.aahperd.org/aahe/template.cfm>
>>**
>>
>>HEDIRs Interested in the Licensure/Certification Thread:
>>
>>Nancy will probably be deluged with responses asserting that teachers are
>>certified in each state. In fact the teaching certificate is a license,
>>because the professional cannot teach without the "certificate." A
>>license is a credential required by law in order to
>>practice. Certificates are typically voluntary credentials that a
>>professional chooses to attain to demonstrate a particular standard of
>>competence.
>>
>>Bill Cissell
>>
>>** Join Us For the HEDIR Luncheon
>>** www.hedir.org/lunch
>>**
>>** Advertise Jobs On The HEDIR
>>** http://www.hpcareer.net/hedir.cfm
>>**
>>** Celebrate National Health Education Week
>>** Oct 21-27, 2002
>>**
>>
>>** Join Us For the HEDIR Luncheon
>>** www.hedir.org/lunch
>>**
>>** Advertise Jobs On The HEDIR
>>** http://www.hpcareer.net/hedir.cfm
>>**
>>** Celebrate National Health Education Week
>>** Oct 21-27, 2002
>>**
>
>Mark J. Kittleson, PhD, FAAHB
>Professor, Health Education
>Graduate Director, Health Education & Recreation
>Home Page: www.kittle.siu.edu
>The HEDIR Home Page: www.hedir.org
>The IEJHE: www.iejhe.org
>
>** Join Us For the HEDIR Luncheon
>** www.hedir.org/lunch
>**
>** Advertise Jobs On The HEDIR
>** http://www.hpcareer.net/hedir.cfm
>**
>** Celebrate National Health Education Week
>** Oct 21-27, 2002
>**
Kari L. Bruce, MPH, CHES
Health Educator
University Health Services
University of Maryland, Baltimore County
1000 Hilltop Circle
Baltimore, Maryland 21250
Phone: 410-455-1599
Fax: 410-455-1125
kbruce@umbc.edu
The greatest of follies is to sacrifice health for any other kind of happiness.
Schopenhauer, Arthur
------------------------------
#1133
Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 21:14:25 -0400
From: Colleen Mahoney <cmahoney@WADSNET.COM>
Subject: grant possiblity
** Texas A&M; Health and Safety Chair/Professor (11/21)
** <http://www.hpcareer.net/jobspage_univ.cfm>
**
** The Leader in Health Education-AAHE
** The Exclusive Sponsor of the HEDIR
** <http://www.aahperd.org/aahe/template.cfm>
**
FYI. Colleen
General Mills Champions Offers Youth Nutrition and
Fitness Grants
Deadline: February 1, 2003
The American Dietetic Association Foundation, the
President's Challenge, and the General Mills Foundation
have partnered to improve youth nutrition and fitness in
the United States. The new initiative, entitled "General
Mills Champions," will provide grants to community-based
groups. The initiative will also include sponsorship of
the President's Active Lifestyle Awards, development of
nutrition and fitness mentoring models, and sharing best
practices.
Through its funding component, the program will award
fifty grants of up to $10,000 each to encourage communities
in the United States to improve the eating and physical
activity patterns of young people, ages 2-20. Grants will
be awarded to 501(c)(3) or 509(a) status not-for-profit
organizations and agencies working with communities that
demonstrate the greatest need and likelihood of sustainable
impact on young people's nutrition and activity levels
through innovative programs. Grants will be awarded to
programs for demonstrating significant potential impact
on youth groups with special needs or for having an impact
on large populations of youth.
Proposals should reflect the practices and concepts
recommended by the Dietary Guidelines for Americans 2000
and the American Dietetic Association, and should include
at least one nutrition behavioral objective and at least
one physical activity behavioral objective.
For complete program guidelines, see the General Mills
Foundation Web site.
RFP Link:
http://www.generalmills.com/corporate/about/community/#Nutrition
Colleen Mahoney, Ph.D.
Owner, Mahoney Consulting Group
301 Windfall Lane
Wadsworth, OH 44281
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