Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 09:53:34 -0500

From: Mal Goldsmith <mgoldsm@SIUE.EDU>

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Good morning,

James I think you make an excellent point about freedom of speech. I totally agree that "what" we talk about should not be inhibited.

However your closing point talks about "how all others must speak..."

I believe that we can have the freedom to speak about whatever we want to say. But I also believe that people have a choice about how to say things and it is important for a civilized society to try to acknowledge that both are important. Younger generations (and unfortunately some older ones as well) need to see that you can disagree without the personal attacks and still deliver a message that reflects the strength of your opinion/commitments. Life is rarely I'm right/your wrong, yet we continually see dialogue that tries to reflect that. I believe a spirit of compromise would clearly serve the HEDIR in the best way.

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618-650-3857 (P) 618-650-3719 (F)

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I believe that it is a slippery slope to inhibit freedom of speech and expression.

Ideally, through the development of a marketplace of ideas, one discovers truth. It is too often that people revert to a censoring mechanism to protect themselves or others from ideas. Censorship limits innovation and creativity, though it does help to affirm normative or powerful belief systems of individuals or groups.

Although

people typically have more freedom in their thought than in their speech, increasing the distance between thought and speech is not a functional or admirable goal; people's thoughts drive them more than their speech. If one is not saying something, it does not mean that they are not thinking it. Improving and maintaining one's freedom of speech allows people to better understand what others are thinking.

The Universal Declaration of Human Rights and the First Amendment of the United States Constitution position freedom of speech as a fundamental underpinning of democracies. The freedom of speech exists to protect people from repercussions for expressing ideas outside of the norm. People are rarely persecuted for expressing a normative idea. I could think contrary to and/or speak out against another person's idea, but I would not prevent someone from expressing an idea. However, one must also accept that simply because he or she expressed an idea that he or she is correct simply based on expression.

Truth is an

end of of expression, and evidence is a means by which some establish truth through expression. However, truth and accuracy are not inevitable consequences of expression.

In taking part in the process of free speech and freedom of thought, one should not lose one's ability to and interest in developing connections between

impulse-

control, self-control, and social-control. We should not automatically react by positioning another policy, procedure, or law limiting speech as the resolution to a comment that we may disagree with. Through the establishment of endless

numbers of social control mechanisms on speech, we chip away at our freedom of speech. In and of themselves, emotional appeals and emotional responses to issues or fears of emotional responses are, in my opinion, an inadequate justification for reducing individual's civil liberties. If everyone established a social control mechanism (policy, law, etc.) for how all others must speak with them in an attempt to assure optimal satisfaction in discourse, the world would become a very lonely place. We would only talk to ourselves for fear of consequences or fear of violating another person's Policy & Procedure (e.g., P&P #1,524,789).

My thoughts.

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#570

Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 11:24:29 -0400

From: Lisa Lieberman <llhealth@OPTONLINE.NET>

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Hello Hedirs-

Mal has hit on what I have been thinking about - the issue is not what we say, but how we say it, but also how or whether we are willing to listen to what others who don't agree with us have to say. The epidemic of disrespect, hatred, polarization, inability to compromise, inability to listen, and downright bullying behavior is not unique to ours or any other listserv. Bullying is the biggest issue in schools these days, but I have observed and lamented that we cannot "teach" children not to bully when they are surrounded by a world full of bullies and hatred.

That is the lesson for all of us- when we communicate in ways that show respect for others' opinions, it makes all the difference in the world.

Unfortunately, there isn't much of that going around these days.

I don't think HEDIR needs new rules. I think we just need to apply some of the old-fashioned golden rule that our mothers taught us--Along with a few others that are unique to the internet- my favorite is simply

this: If I am responding to something in anger or frustration, I never hit "send" right away. I put it aside for a while and read it again (more than once!) to be sure it is what I really want to say and how I really want to say it. And after one or two rounds of anger, I stop emailing, and pick up the phone.

Lisa

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Good morning,

James I think you make an excellent point about freedom of speech. I totally agree that "what" we talk about should not be inhibited.

However your closing point talks about "how all others must speak..."

I believe that we can have the freedom to speak about whatever we want to say. But I also believe that people have a choice about how to say things and it is important for a civilized society to try to acknowledge that both are important. Younger generations (and unfortunately some older ones as well) need to see that you can disagree without the personal attacks and still deliver a message that reflects the strength of your opinion/commitments. Life is rarely I'm right/your wrong, yet we continually see dialogue that tries to reflect that. I believe a spirit of compromise would clearly serve the HEDIR in the best way.

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Professor and Coordinator of Health Education Department of Kinesiology and Health Education Box 1126 Southern Illinois University Edwardsville, IL 62026

618-650-3857 (P) 618-650-3719 (F)

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I believe that it is a slippery slope to inhibit freedom of speech and expression.

Ideally, through the development of a marketplace of ideas, one discovers truth. It is too often that people revert to a censoring mechanism to protect themselves or others from ideas. Censorship limits innovation and creativity, though it does help to affirm normative or powerful belief systems of individuals or groups.

Although

people typically have more freedom in their thought than in their speech, increasing the distance between thought and speech is not a functional or admirable goal; people's thoughts drive them more than their speech. If one is not saying something, it does not mean that they are not thinking it. Improving and maintaining one's freedom of speech allows people to better understand what others are thinking.

The Universal Declaration of Human Rights and the First Amendment of the United States Constitution position freedom of speech as a fundamental underpinning of democracies. The freedom of speech exists to protect people from repercussions for expressing ideas outside of the norm. People are rarely persecuted for expressing a normative idea. I could think contrary to and/or speak out against another person's idea, but I would not prevent someone from expressing an idea. However, one must also accept that simply because he or she expressed an idea that he or she is correct simply based on expression.

Truth is an

end of of expression, and evidence is a means by which some establish truth through expression. However, truth and accuracy are not inevitable consequences of expression.

In taking part in the process of free speech and freedom of thought, one should not lose one's ability to and interest in developing connections between

impulse-

control, self-control, and social-control. We should not automatically react by positioning another policy, procedure, or law limiting speech as the resolution to a comment that we may disagree with. Through the establishment of endless

numbers of social control mechanisms on speech, we chip away at our freedom of speech. In and of themselves, emotional appeals and emotional responses to issues or fears of emotional responses are, in my opinion, an inadequate justification for reducing individual's civil liberties. If everyone established a social control mechanism (policy, law, etc.) for how all others must speak with them in an attempt to assure optimal satisfaction in discourse, the world would become a very lonely place. We would only talk to ourselves for fear of consequences or fear of violating another person's Policy & Procedure (e.g., P&P #1,524,789).

My thoughts.

James

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#571

Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 11:24:09 -0400

From: KDG Consulting <kdgconsulting@VERIZON.NET>

Subject: Following Up on Earlier Accreditation Dialogue

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Just wanted to thank everyone who participated in the earlier accreditation discussion and to say that I hope we continue that discussion here, posing key questions and turning to all the resources available for information so the profession can make the best possible decision for its future.

While I have enormous respect - bordering on awe - for the people involved in the accreditation task force, I am not convinced that accreditation is the way to go - certainly not an overnight requirement - and don't believe

the profession as a whole has come out in favor of accreditation. Yes, we

have heard from SABPAC which represents SOPHE and AAHE and we've heard from them again through the Dallas Conference.

I continue to urge us to realize that this is still in the discussion phase, that the profession as a whole has not spoken on this as it has on the CUP results - which the CNHEO has endorsed.

Thanks again for sharing your views and insights and for giving me more and more food for thought on this issue.

KDG

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#572

Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 10:29:50 -0500

From: "Cissell, William" <WCissell@MAIL.TWU.EDU>

Subject: Freedom of Speech

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James and Interested Others,

Thanks for putting a plug in for freedom of speech. I do not believe KDG, Mark Kittleson or others calling for civility in tone are trying to restrict ideas. They support the expression of diverse ideas. They are merely asking people not to insult and show disrespect for others. I realize that freedom of speech laws are used to protect pornographic materials and expressions of hate in public settings, but I believe it is reasonable to encourage self-restraint in this forum.

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#573

Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 10:46:28 -0500

From: "teufel@siu.edu" <teufel@SIU.EDU>

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I agree. I believe that it is important for people to learn to balance their impulses as well as social-control. Self-control is an important quality. One should neither be driven completely by one's impulses and/or social controls.

Developing self-control is important, but we should not confuse self-control with strictly developing impulse- or social- control. I agree that "how we say what we say affects what we say." However, shifting the position or tone of a message could gain attention for a message that was being neglected in a different form, though with similar underlying content. A civilized society on occasion requires speech that upsets people (e.g., civil rights movement, GLBT rights movement, etc.). When one's speech rattles another person, the recipient as well as the speaker should introspect on why this reaction was elicited. This helps to improve critical thinking skills as well as relationships among individuals in a civilized society.

Speaking out and thinking about issues is important. If one waits to think and speak on an issue, it may be too late once one decides to think and speak (e.g., Maurice Ogden's The Hangman poem). Developing skills to deal with affective as well as cognitive reactions to messages is important. In addition, developing skills to react to messages based on the past and future in addition to the present is a necessary component of a civilized society; we should resist the impulse to become prisoners of the present. Sometimes frustration in the present builds a greater future.

Thinking within the fuzzy or swampy areas between the black or white is important. However, without the polarizing people we would have no middle or fuzzy area (moderate). The diversity of opinion is important. Regressing toward a moderate position or less offensive message is a compromise, but what are we compromising? Our own beliefs, truth, social relationships.... The process of speaking and thinking is an iterative one. An idea could be right even if it is not normative or socially acceptable. An idea could also be right when it is normative or socially acceptable. Without an iterative dialogue with diverse opinions shedding light on our construction of truth is difficult. Reducing diversity simplifies and insulates a construction but does not help to

evidence its truth.

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#574

Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 12:02:23 -0400

From: Penny Bailey <penny.bailey@TRHD.DST.NC.US>

Subject: Re: [SPAM] Freedom of Speech

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I must admit when I read the information that started this discussion, I was a little taken aback. In my current position I would not be able to make any of those statements, even if I felt them. I have had those days when I realize that the "system" is set up to go against the grain of what I am trying to accomplish in my community. I can understand anyone needing a place to intelligently vent. I would really like to acknowledge an organization that gives its constituents a platform to say these things.

Thanks

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ideas. They support the expression of diverse ideas. They are merely

asking people not to insult and show disrespect for others. I realize that

freedom of speech laws are used to protect pornographic materials and

expressions of hate in public settings, but I believe it is reasonable to

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#575

Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 11:04:38 -0500

From: Kristin Hartsaw <KHartsaw@DUPAGEHEALTH.ORG>

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Well said. This has been a most interesting dialogue. I agree that it is =

in how we say it. We sometimes need to be reminded that humor, irony, =

etc. are not easily communicated in electronic format.=20

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Kristin Hartsaw, BS, CHES

Program Coordinator - Staff Development

Community Health Services

DuPage County Health Department

630-682-7979 ext. 7505

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Hello Hedirs-=20

Mal has hit on what I have been thinking about - the issue is not what

we say, but how we say it, but also how or whether we are willing to

listen to what others who don't agree with us have to say. The epidemic

of disrespect, hatred, polarization, inability to compromise, inability

to listen, and downright bullying behavior is not unique to ours or any

other listserv. Bullying is the biggest issue in schools these days,

but I have observed and lamented that we cannot "teach" children not to

bully when they are surrounded by a world full of bullies and hatred.

That is the lesson for all of us- when we communicate in ways that show

respect for others' opinions, it makes all the difference in the world.

Unfortunately, there isn't much of that going around these days. =20

I don't think HEDIR needs new rules. I think we just need to apply some

of the old-fashioned golden rule that our mothers taught us--Along with

a few others that are unique to the internet- my favorite is simply

this: If I am responding to something in anger or frustration, I never

hit "send" right away. I put it aside for a while and read it again

(more than once!) to be sure it is what I really want to say and how I

really want to say it. And after one or two rounds of anger, I stop

emailing, and pick up the phone. =20

Lisa

Lisa Lieberman, Ph.D., CHES

Healthy Concepts

29 Ardsley Drive

New City, NY 10956

845 638-1619

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Good morning,

James I think you make an excellent point about freedom of speech. I

totally agree that "what" we talk about should not be inhibited.

However your closing point talks about "how all others must speak..."

I believe that we can have the freedom to speak about whatever we want

to say. But I also believe that people have a choice about how to say

things and it is important for a civilized society to try to acknowledge

that both are important. Younger generations (and unfortunately some

older ones as well) need to see that you can disagree without the

personal attacks and still deliver a message that reflects the strength

of your opinion/commitments. Life is rarely I'm right/your wrong, yet

we continually see dialogue that tries to reflect that. I believe a

spirit of compromise would clearly serve the HEDIR in the best way.

Mal Goldsmith, Ph.D., CHES

Professor and Coordinator of Health Education

Department of Kinesiology and Health Education

Box 1126 Southern Illinois University

Edwardsville, IL 62026

618-650-3857 (P) 618-650-3719 (F)

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I believe that it is a slippery slope to inhibit freedom of speech and

expression. =20

Ideally, through the development of a marketplace of ideas, one

discovers truth. It=20

is too often that people revert to a censoring mechanism to protect

themselves or=20

others from ideas. Censorship limits innovation and creativity, though

it does help=20

to affirm normative or powerful belief systems of individuals or groups.

Although=20

people typically have more freedom in their thought than in their

speech, increasing=20

the distance between thought and speech is not a functional or admirable

goal;=20

people's thoughts drive them more than their speech. If one is not

saying=20

something, it does not mean that they are not thinking it. Improving

and=20

maintaining one's freedom of speech allows people to better understand

what=20

others are thinking. =20

The Universal Declaration of Human Rights and the First Amendment of=20

the United States Constitution position freedom of speech as a

fundamental=20

underpinning of democracies. The freedom of speech exists to protect

people from=20

repercussions for expressing ideas outside of the norm. People are

rarely=20

persecuted for expressing a normative idea. I could think contrary to

and/or speak=20

out against another person's idea, but I would not prevent someone from=20

expressing an idea. However, one must also accept that simply because

he or she=20

expressed an idea that he or she is correct simply based on expression.

Truth is an=20

end of of expression, and evidence is a means by which some establish

truth=20

through expression. However, truth and accuracy are not inevitable

consequences=20

of expression. =20

In taking part in the process of free speech and freedom of thought, one

should not=20

lose one's ability to and interest in developing connections between

impulse-

control, self-control, and social-control. We should not automatically

react by=20

positioning another policy, procedure, or law limiting speech as the

resolution to a=20

comment that we may disagree with. Through the establishment of endless

numbers of social control mechanisms on speech, we chip away at our

freedom of=20

speech. In and of themselves, emotional appeals and emotional responses

to issues=20

or fears of emotional responses are, in my opinion, an inadequate

justification for=20

reducing individual's civil liberties. If everyone established a social

control=20

mechanism (policy, law, etc.) for how all others must speak with them in

an attempt=20

to assure optimal satisfaction in discourse, the world would become a

very lonely=20

place. We would only talk to ourselves for fear of consequences or fear

of violating=20

another person's Policy & Procedure (e.g., P&P #1,524,789). =20

My thoughts.

James

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#576

Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 11:50:14 -0700

From: Mark Fulop <markfulop@YAHOO.COM>

Subject: Personal Professional Update - Delete is not interested

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Hi folks,

I just want to send a note to say that 18 months ago I resigned from my job in the midst of a downsizing / politically rightsizing of the agency where I worked. Circumstances and a very large but unrelated project took me out of the professional world for almost a year. Last February I started looking for work full-time and wanted to report that after much hard work, networking and interviewing I have finally landed a new job at the Multnomah County Health Department supervising a new education and outreach focus area in the Environmental Health Section. The director I work with has a large and expansive vision for environmental justice and community-collaborative problem-solving. One of the Larger initiatives I will be managing is a HUD-funded Health Homes Grant that is using a system's approach to reducing asthma triggers in homes of low income families who have children with asthma. Since I am new to environmental health and HUD-funding, I'd love to connect with

anyone else working in this area.

I will update the Hedir Directory but below is my professional contact info in case anyone is interests. Since I am back in a government setting, for HEDIR, I will continue to use my yahoo account and check in on my own time.

since you are still reading here are a couple of massively cool links to resources I have discovered in my opening days of work:

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#577

Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 13:18:10 -0700

From: Jeffery Waddy <jefferywaddy@YAHOO.COM>

Subject: Gerontology Certificate Program...

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Dear colleagues:

I am in the process of creating a certificate program of gerontology.

If you have been involved with creating such a certificate program, please share the process and possible your curricula. Thank you in advance for you assistance.

Sincerely,

Carpe diem,

Jeffery J.Waddy, MS.Ed., CHES, QMHP

Dean, Allied Health Sciences

South Suburban College

15800 South State Street

South Holland, IL 60473

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#578

Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 17:36:31 -0400

From: Michaela Conley <michaela@HPCAREER.NET>

Subject: Friday Review, jobs & degree programs

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Here's the weekly roundup of, as Al Roker would say" what's happening in

your neck of the woods".

Director of Operations location N/A

ProFitness Health Solutions

PT Fitness Specialist in Tampa Bay, FL

Corporate Fitness Works

Exercise and Sport Science - Bachelors degree

Athletic Coaching - Certificate and a Minor

Wilson College near Harrisburg, PA

Client Services Administrator in Northern, VA

FitWell Associates

Community Health Behavior & Education Faculty in Statesboro GA

Georgia Southern University

Undergraduate Degrees in Health & Exercise Science near Tulsa, OK

Oral Roberts University

MA, Exercise Science in Kearney, NE

University of Nebraska, Kearney

Undergraduate -- Health, Fitness & PE near Cleveland, OH

Baldwin Wallace College

AA., Applied Science & Certificates in Fitness various locations

throughout Oregon

Lane Community College

MS, Clinical Exercise Physiology in Boston, MA

Northern University

Fitness Specialist in Reston, VA

Corporate Fitness Works

BS, Athletic Training in/near Albany/Poughkeepsie, NY

Marist College

MS & PhD Options in/near Waco, TX

Baylor University

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#579

Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 17:19:30 -0500

From: "Cissell, William" <WCissell@MAIL.TWU.EDU>

Subject: Continuing the accreditation dialog

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Karen and Interested Others,

I concur that we should continue dialog about the progress being made toward accreditation of health education preparation programs. I recall that there were many skeptics of the establishment of the National Commission for Health Education Credetnialing and the voluntary credentaiiling of health educators in the late 1980's. In lesser volume, critics continue to express skepticism of these. However, 18 years after the establishment of NCHEC and 17 years after I became CHES #005, NCHEC seems stable and CHES is becoming increasingly accepted and valued. I believe that health education professionals will increasingly accept and value accreditation of preparation programs as our profession matures.

Accreditation is a form of quality assurance of professional preparation programs. Accreditation of professional preparation programs for health educators predates the Role Delineation Project and the establishment of NCHEC and CHES. The National Council for Accreditation of Teacher Education (NCATE) was reviewing the professional preparation of teachers of school health well before the Role Delineation Project was launched in late 1978. SOPHE established its Baccalaureate Program Approval process, which is a form of quality assurance comparable to accreditation, in 1978. Currently, the SOPHE-AAHE Baccalaureate Program Approval Committee conducts quality assurance of programs that apply for this service. AAHE collaborates with NCATE to provide accreditation services for professional preparation programs for school health teachers. Thus, it is not an issue of whether health education will have accreditation (quality assurance) for its professional preparation programs. Rather, it is an issue of enhancing the process to assure better opportunities to market our quality assurance processes to college and university administrators.

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#580

Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 18:08:26 -0700

From: Mark Fulop <markfulop@YAHOO.COM>

Subject: Re: Continuing the accreditation dialog

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Karen and Bill,

What is confusing me in this discussion is that you are using the terms accreditation and certification interchangibly blurring the two distinct (albeit somewhat related) concepts. In addition, the first round of the discussion earlier this summer also aligned these two terms with the creation of a super-professional association. So what I am hearing is a discussion of consolidation of the profession for the purpose of better defining who's in the professional bucket and who is not. That may be important from an academic perspective, but in my 15 years of public health practice, I have not seen the practice field of public health move towards narrower (and implied better) definition of health education. Making a sweeping generalization of my experience, I would suggest that many health education job descriptions, even in county governments, fail to require an MPH let alone a CHES designation. And CHES? I have expressed my view many times and would be interested in the

data that backs up Bill's statement that, " CHES is becoming increasingly accepted and valued."

Having ranted in that direction, I am increasingly interested in how, post-graduation, health educators create a career path trajectory within the context of organizations. Standardized accrediation seems like a great idea that I would support. For me the BIGGER and more important issue is not about consolidation of power at the point of entry into the field but rather, within the profession of health education, how do we focus organizational energy on training, mentoring and professional development so that Health Educators can create a career path that builds skills and competencies that is essential to creating a stable public health workforce. Currently those of us that were blessed with strong mentors and role models and who lived in fat programs, which paid for APHA dues and plane tickets to conferences, have grown into strong professionals, but those exisiting in smaller community-based organizations, even those accredited and CHES certified, have been

disadvantaged in their career development.

just one more layer of thoughts

with respect to all,

m

Mark Fulop, MA, MPH

PO Box 13094

Portland, OR 97213

503-282-1271

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