Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 10:50:59 -0400

From: KDG Consulting <kdgconsulting@VERIZON.NET>

Subject: Re: SABPAC recommendation

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A good point, Raffy, and you're absolutely right. However, that doesn't

mean that the other organizations' points of view aren't needed on the issue. Certainly I wish all 9 organizations contributed according to their means on professionwide events and regret that they can't or don't. I don't know and don't presume to assume why they haven't been involved in program approval or professional preparation congresses or the CUP project or any other events or movements with professionwide implications. I certainly am grateful to those organizations that have made these events possible and that that's where some of my membership dollars go.

I just want to continue to urge inclusivity in our approach to accreditation and hope that the other organizations will let their voices be heard.

kdg

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Hi HEDIR,

While Karen makes a good point that the reccommendations were approved by only two organizations (i.e., SOPHE and AAHE), it is important to remember that these two organizations had made the commmitment for the last few years to cover all the expenses associate with this process, which has been costly, yet they are committed to it. Thus, that why the reccomendations were only approved by them.

R.

On Fri, 28 Jul 2006 08:40:18 +0000, KDG Consulting wrote:

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> Aha! Thank you, Bill - so this is a recommendation of SABPAC, an

> organization whose work we all respect - thank you Mary Hawkins et al!

> -

but

> again, reflects only two of the profession's organizations. Here is

another

> issue for the CNHEOs, I think. What a great opportunity we have here

> to discuss these proposals, to share them with colleagues, and see

> what the profession feels.

>

> kdg

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> Raffy,

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> While I was an active member of SABPAC, we proposed that graduates of

> accredited preparation programs be awarded CHES based on the their

> successful completion of all degree requirements in the accredited

programs.

> The Framework that includes all of the areas of responsibility,

competencies

> and subcompetencies serves as the basic organizing structure for the

> curricula evaluated by the accreditation review committees.

> Unaccredited programs will not have their curricula, faculty or

> resources assessed by

an

> accrediting revieew committee, which means there is no assurance of

quality

> of their programs. It would be beneficial for the accredited programs

> to have their graduates be awarded CHES certification without setting

> the

exam.

>

> The proposal to let only graduates of accredited programs set the CHES

> examination accomplishes nothing and would reduce the volume of health

> educators applying for certification. this of course would reduce the

> income to offset operating costs of NCHEC. If graduates of

> non-accredited programs are permnitted to set the exam, their proof of

> competence is

based

> on successfully passing the exam. For graduates of accredited

> programs, their proof of competence is the ability to successfully

> complete a

program

> that has met accreditation standards.

>

> It is illogical to me that the Board of Commissioners of NCHEC would

approve

> a policy that would reduce the volume of health educators applying for

> certification. If the policy were to charge the same application fee to

> health educators applying for certification from both accredited and

> non-accredited programs, the income for operating NCHEC would remain

> as strong as it is now or grow some. The cost of operation of the

examinations

> would be reduced due to the graduates of accredited programs not

> taking

the

> exam. The grads of accredited programs benefit from (a) not having to

> pay the expense of traveling to a test site and (b) not having to

> expend the time and energy to complete the examination. The grads of

> non-accredited programs would benefit from still having an opportunity

> to take the exam

to

> prove their competence. NCHEC could use any financial gains from not

> testing the grads of accredited programs to slow increases in

> examination fees that occur periodically du!

> e to the rising costs of operations.

>

> Bill Cisssell

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#521

Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 11:58:59 -0500

From: "Cissell, William" <WCissell@MAIL.TWU.EDU>

Subject: Participation across the profession in professional prep conferences

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Karen,

It would be a misconception to assume that representation by all organizations within NCHEO was not intetntionally included in any of the professional preparation or accreditation congresses. I had input in the planning of some of these. I am aware that the planners of every national professional preparation congress and accreditation forum held within the past 28 years has sought to have representation from across the profession participate. Further, all planned actions related to these congresses and forums are communicated through the NCHEO and the newsletters and major meetings of each of the organizations. Most recently, webpages are used to report developments to any health educator willing to visit them.

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#522

Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 12:14:30 -0500

From: "Cissell, William" <WCissell@MAIL.TWU.EDU>

Subject: CHES from Accredited Programs

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Jody,

The finances involved in having grads of accredited programs eligible for CHES without taking the exam are favorable for NCHEC. The grad of the accredited program would need to apply and pay the same application fee that the grad of the non-accredited program would pay. Because the grad of the accredited program would not take the exam, expenses associated with administering the exam that NCHEC currently incurs would be avoided.

As to the 75 CE credits required over the next five years and the annual renewal fees, these would be the same for both those certified through the exam and those certified based on completion of the accredited program. I believe the volume of CHES would increase based on the proposed policy. This would meet additional income to cover NCHEC's operating costs and slow the paste of increasing fees to cover increases in operating costs over the next several years.

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#523

Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 12:59:41 -0500

From: "Cissell, William" <WCissell@MAIL.TWU.EDU>

Subject: Correction of keyboarding errors in the las message

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The last sentence of the message about the finances related to grads of accredited programs being able to apply for and receive certification without taking the exam should read: This would mean additional income to cover NCHEC's operating costs and slow the pace of increasing fees to cover increases in operating costs over the next several years.

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#524

Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 14:31:41 -0400

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Subject: Re: Participation across the profession in professional prep conferences

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Thank you, Bill, for clarifying what may have been a confusing message. I do not mean that efforts have not gone out to reach organizations about what progress is being made - I am just sorry that for whatever reasons, some of the organizations have not been as involved up front in some of the events.

I realize that a tremendous among of time and energy has gone into sharing information about the process by the people and organizations involved and am most appreciative of that.

kdg

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Karen,

It would be a misconception to assume that representation by all organizations within NCHEO was not intetntionally included in any of the professional preparation or accreditation congresses. I had input in the planning of some of these. I am aware that the planners of every national professional preparation congress and accreditation forum held within the past 28 years has sought to have representation from across the profession participate. Further, all planned actions related to these congresses and forums are communicated through the NCHEO and the newsletters and major meetings of each of the organizations. Most recently, webpages are used to report developments to any health educator willing to visit them.

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#525

Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 14:34:11 -0400

From: KDG Consulting <kdgconsulting@VERIZON.NET>

Subject: Re: CHES from Accredited Programs

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Thank you, Bill, for this clarification as well. The more we learn, the more knowledgeable/informed our decisions can be. This is an important recommendation from SABPAC which all health education organizations and schools need to be aware of. Thanks.

kdg

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Jody,

The finances involved in having grads of accredited programs eligible for CHES without taking the exam are favorable for NCHEC. The grad of the accredited program would need to apply and pay the same application fee that the grad of the non-accredited program would pay. Because the grad of the accredited program would not take the exam, expenses associated with administering the exam that NCHEC currently incurs would be avoided.

As to the 75 CE credits required over the next five years and the annual renewal fees, these would be the same for both those certified through the exam and those certified based on completion of the accredited program. I believe the volume of CHES would increase based on the proposed policy.

This would meet additional income to cover NCHEC's operating costs and slow the paste of increasing fees to cover increases in operating costs over the next several years.

Bill Cissell

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