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#738

Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 07:48:02 -0700

From: William Cissell <cissellguill@YAHOO.COM>

Subject: Ardell to Medical School

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Don and Ken,

An alternate idea for influencing physicians and other medically oriented health care providers and their patients is continuing ed. I directed for two years the Texas/Oklahoma AIDS Education and Training Center.

The primary participants were medically oriented health care providers, including physicians, physician assistants, nurse praactioners, nurses, pharmacists

and dentists. The AIDS Education and Training

Centers provide a variety of CE formats, including lectures, group interactions, preceptorships, consultations, information clearinghouses and technical assistance in development of locally operated CE programs.

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#739

Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 08:18:21 -0700

From: William Cissell <cissellguill@YAHOO.COM>

Subject: Advocating for School Health

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Johanna,

I appreciate your frustration, but the original Role Delineation Project and the development of the National Commission for Health Education Credentialing were performed by health education professionals from across the spectrum. The members of the Task Force on Preparation and Practice of Health Educators while I served had Becky Smith, Executive Director, AAHE; Pete Cortese, Vice Chair and. later, Chair of the Task Force; Bill Carlyon, who directed the health education office out of the AMA; an me, previously School Health Coordinator, Department of Defense Overseas Schools, District I (Japan and Korea. I believe Alyson Taub has expertise in school health, as well.

The largest organization with professional health educators as members is AAHE. It has a history of advocating for school health education. The American School Health Education has health educators providing very strong leadership. APHA has a School Health Education and Services Section. CDC has the Division of Adolescent and School Health (DASH). SOPHE advocates for school health issues and welcomes school health educators to its membership and leadership.

The Coalition of National Health Education Organizations advocates for school health education.

Thus, it seems to me that there are many health educators doing their best to advance the health education profession to benefit school health education.

If you peave is that you do not see health knowledge items among those on the CHES exam, I appreciate your point. However, with 40 years of experience in a variety of practice settings, I learned that the competencies tested by the CHES exam served me far better than any content I learned. Some of the content I learned in my preparation and presented in my classes as a young health educator were completely wrong and I had to unlearn them and relearn new knowledge as the scientific evidence changed.

A former student of mine, Dr. Doug Coyle, Assistant Professor of Health Studies, Texas Woman's University, has dome research seeking to learn the core knowledge of the health education profession. Hopefully, the work he is doing and that of others seeking to gain a consnsus as to the core knowldege in our profession can help address your concern.

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Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 11:42:55 -0400

From: Johanna Chase <JChase@DPI.STATE.NC.US>

Subject: Re: Advocating for School Health

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Dear Dr. Cissell,

Thank you for your thoughtful comments. As you so eloquently state; health education reflects both public health education professionals and school health education professionals. Current trends appear to focus more on public health education than school health education. Any opportunity to remind key decision-makers of the value in K - high school comprehensive sequential school health education in partnership with local public health education agencies as part of an overall socio-ecological school-based mode: would certainly support us all.

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Johanna,

I appreciate your frustration, but the original Role Delineation Project and the development of the National Commission for Health Education Credentialing were performed by health education professionals from across the spectrum. The members of the Task Force on Preparation and Practice of Health Educators while I served had Becky Smith, Executive Director, AAHE; Pete Cortese, Vice Chair and. later, Chair of the Task Force; Bill Carlyon, who directed the health education office out of the AMA; an me, previously School Health Coordinator, Department of Defense Overseas Schools, District I (Japan and Korea. I believe Alyson Taub has expertise in school health, as well.

The largest organization with professional health educators as members is AAHE. It has a history of advocating for school health education. The American School Health Education has health educators providing very strong leadership. APHA has a School Health Education and Services Section. CDC has the Division of Adolescent and School Health (DASH). SOPHE advocates for school health issues and welcomes school health educators to its membership and leadership.

The Coalition of National Health Education Organizations advocates for school health education.

Thus, it seems to me that there are many health educators doing their best to advance the health education profession to benefit school health education.

If you peave is that you do not see health knowledge items among those on the CHES exam, I appreciate your point. However, with 40 years of experience in a variety of practice settings, I learned that the competencies tested by the CHES exam served me far better than any content I learned. Some of the content I learned in my preparation and presented in my classes as a young health educator were completely wrong and I had to unlearn them and relearn new knowledge as the scientific evidence changed.

A former student of mine, Dr. Doug Coyle, Assistant Professor of Health Studies, Texas Woman's University, has dome research seeking to learn the core knowledge of the health education profession. Hopefully, the work he is doing and that of others seeking to gain a consnsus as to the core knowldege in our profession can help address your concern.

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Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 09:30:55 -0700

From: Mark Fulop <markfulop@YAHOO.COM>

Subject: Re: Advocating for School Health

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On this topic I just receive the following notice from an enewsletter

Society for Public Health Education (SOPHE) School Health Website Now Available!

SOPHE's comprehensive School Health Program website is a one-stop resource for health professionals, teachers, school administrators, and parents on information about youth and physical activity, nutrition, obesity, and tobacco. Included are the most current research on policies and school environment related to student behavior and resources to examine issues and provide a healthy school environment.

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#742

Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 12:47:02 -0400

From: Michael Ludwig <Michael.J.Ludwig@HOFSTRA.EDU>

Subject: Experience with AlcoholEdu??

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Hello friends and colleagues,

I just came back from a meeting with the VP for Student Affairs at my institution (Hofstra). I was pitching the need for a full-time director of health education/promotion. The VP was very receptive and had had similar thoughts about having our institutional profile be much more proactive in the area of health education/promotion.

Outside the Classroom administers and markets three programs aimed at the higher ed audience (students). The are AlcoholEdu, MentalHealthEdu, and SexualAssaultEdu. I'm interested in hearing about your experiences and/or thoughts about them as they were implemented and/or received at your institution of higher ed.

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#743

Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 13:35:00 -0400

From: Kandice Johnson <kjohns90@KENNESAW.EDU>

Subject: Health Benchmarks

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Hello,

A local HPE District Coordinator is looking for assistance in identifying benchmarks for health education. Is anyone aware of resources for actual benchmark testing on health topics?

Thank you,

Kandice Johnson

Kandice M. Johnson, Ph.D.

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#744

Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 11:07:21 -0700

From: Mark Fulop <markfulop@YAHOO.COM>

Subject: Re: Wellness Coaching as big business - how should health education respond?

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In following up on this thread, I think that one of the things that has not been said clearly enough is that coaching and the content associated with coaching are two different things. We need to be clear that "coaching" is a narrow band of skills (goal setting, active listening, etc) much like "facilitation" or "project management" are narrow band of skills (note: both of these skill sets also offer certification). But coaching or project management or facilitation needs to be linked to content and that is where we get into the mushy area. How much content is enough to qualify you to coach? For example, I met a 23 year old (who was single, sharing an apartment, and just starting a career) and called herself a "life coach." Now seriously, and no offense to 23 yr olds on this list, what does a 23 yr old know about life that qualifies him/her to give advice to others… Really, this is the message of the video clip that James posted (very funny by the way).

I believe that most certification, CHES, coaching, facilitation, project management, needs to be linked with content expertise to be meaningful. So in and of itself certification for health coaching is mostly harmless except when it is unethically used to convey competency that one truly does not possess.

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Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 19:41:12 -0400

From: "Cleary, Michael" <michael.cleary@SRU.EDU>

Subject: Re: Wellness Coaching as big business - how should health education respond?

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Mark: I am in complete agreement with you that 23 year olds/ i.e.youngsters with no real experience of their own etc have no business coaching/advising others ; particularly experienced professionals. I recommend Barbara Ehrenreich's NY Times Bestseller Bait & Switch: The Futile Pursuit of the American Dream to learn about the pseudo professions of "life" and "career coaches" that she sought out in order to find out what this phenomenon was about while pretending to be interested in breaking into the corporate arena as a PR person and/or event planner.

I was also lucky enough to attend some of her readings from this book at her hometown ibrary in Key West. A twenty-something female stood up and asked why she shouldn't take up Life/ Career coaching as a profesion to which Ms (actually she has a PhD in biology) Ehrenreich simply sighed and gently stated "you might want to do something meaningful with your life". The young lady in question, judging from her facial expression, had NO idea from Barbara was talking about. More proof (to me at least) that today's 26 year-olds are like yesterday's 21 year-olds.

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In following up on this thread, I think that one of the things that has not been said clearly enough is that coaching and the content associated with coaching are two different things. We need to be clear that "coaching" is a narrow band of skills (goal setting, active listening, etc) much like "facilitation" or "project management" are narrow band of skills (note: both of these skill sets also offer certification). But coaching or project management or facilitation needs to be linked to content and that is where we get into the mushy area. How much content is enough to qualify you to coach? For example, I met a 23 year old (who was single, sharing an apartment, and just starting a career) and called herself a "life coach." Now seriously, and no offense to 23 yr olds on this list, what does a 23 yr old know about life that qualifies him/her to give advice to others... Really, this is the message of the video clip that James posted (very funny by the way).

I believe that most certification, CHES, coaching, facilitation, project management, needs to be linked with content expertise to be meaningful. So in and of itself certification for health coaching is mostly harmless except when it is unethically used to convey competency that one truly does not possess.

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Portland, OR

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Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 20:10:52 -0400

From: Karen McMillan <karen1124@COMCAST.NET>

Subject: Re: Wellness Coaching as big business - how should health education respond?

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This is a very interesting thread. I have paid little attention to this new profession. I did get a good laugh from reading about Barbara Ehrenreich's job search experience in "Bait & Switch." There have also been many articles written about life coaches and career coaches in the main street media, most of them critical.

Even the American College of Sports Medicine has written several articles in its newsletter about wellness coaching, endorses Margaret Moore's Wellcoaches certification program, and has entered into a partnership with them.

cfm&ContentID=1630

Very interesting indeed.

Karen McMillan, MS, CHES

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Mark: I am in complete agreement with you that 23 year olds/ i.e.youngsters with no real experience of their own etc have no business coaching/advising others ; particularly experienced professionals. I recommend Barbara Ehrenreich's NY Times Bestseller Bait & Switch: The Futile Pursuit of the American Dream to learn about the pseudo professions of "life" and "career coaches" that she sought out in order to find out what this phenomenon was about while pretending to be interested in breaking into the corporate arena as a PR person and/or event planner.

I was also lucky enough to attend some of her readings from this book at her hometown ibrary in Key West. A twenty-something female stood up and asked why she shouldn't take up Life/ Career coaching as a profesion to which Ms (actually she has a PhD in biology) Ehrenreich simply sighed and gently stated "you might want to do something meaningful with your life". The young lady in question, judging from her facial expression, had NO idea from Barbara was talking about. More proof (to me at least) that today's 26 year-olds are like yesterday's 21 year-olds.

Michael

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In following up on this thread, I think that one of the things that has not been said clearly enough is that coaching and the content associated with coaching are two different things. We need to be clear that "coaching" is a narrow band of skills (goal setting, active listening, etc) much like "facilitation" or "project management" are narrow band of skills (note: both of these skill sets also offer certification). But coaching or project management or facilitation needs to be linked to content and that is where we get into the mushy area. How much content is enough to qualify you to coach? For example, I met a 23 year old (who was single, sharing an apartment, and just starting a career) and called herself a "life coach."

Now seriously, and no offense to 23 yr olds on this list, what does a 23 yr old know about life that qualifies him/her to give advice to others...

Really, this is the message of the video clip that James posted (very funny by the way).

I believe that most certification, CHES, coaching, facilitation, project management, needs to be linked with content expertise to be meaningful. So in and of itself certification for health coaching is mostly harmless except when it is unethically used to convey competency that one truly does not possess.

===

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Mark Fulop, MA, MPH

Portland, OR

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Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 17:16:33 -0700

From: Mark Fulop <markfulop@YAHOO.COM>

Subject: Re: Wellness Coaching as big business - how should health education respond?

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Karen and Michael

I went through an 18 month unemployment stint and laughed my way through Ehrenreich's book. It is great! But along the way I did benefit from a friend who was the CEO of a credible Outplacement Services firm who did "coach me" on strategies, resumes, etc... The point being is that firm has 4 doctoral level counselors and HR experts on staff. Qualifications matter.

The scary elephant in the room is that I have also met many a health education "consultant," equally unqualified as 23 yr old kids, doing grant writing, program planning and stand up training.....

But that is another conversation. ; )

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