Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 08:57:03 -0400

From: "Fisher, Carolyn (CDC/CCHP/NCCDPHP)" <cif8@CDC.GOV>

Subject: Re: HEDIR-L Digest - 24 Oct 2007 to 25 Oct 2007 (#2007-231)

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#764

Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 12:51:21 -0400

From: "Taylor, Jennifer" <JenTaylor@ISDH.IN.GOV>

Subject: Contracted fee

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I have been asked to develop a proposal for a contracted health educator for the period of approximately one year. What is the hourly or going rate of contracted health educators? This would be for non-profit work.

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Jennifer Taylor

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#765

Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 13:58:36 -0500

From: James Teufel <teufel@SIU.EDU>

Subject: Re: Contracted fee

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Going rate is not easy to state, it depends on 1) your experience/education,

2) size of organization, 3) scope of work, 4) funding amount, 5) future interests, 6) organizational interest in pursuing you and the grant, and 7) your/organization's location.

Here is one formula: your expected salary rate per hour times a number between one and a half and three; again, in part adjusting for at least the seven factors above. Another way to think about this is an hourly rate adjusting for the seven factors above, likely ranging between $50 and $250 per hour. For proposal writing and development, it may be difficult to reach the higher end of this range, unless they were also bidding you as strategic or key personnel, because funding is only probable and not definite.

I hope this helps.

James

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I have been asked to develop a proposal for a contracted health educator for the period of approximately one year. What is the hourly or going rate of contracted health educators? This would be for non-profit work.

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Jennifer Taylor

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#766

Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 13:47:20 -0600

From: Les Chatelain <Les.Chatelain@HEALTH.UTAH.EDU>

Subject: Re: Contracted fee

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Wow, I am going to move. Entry level CHES certified health educators in non-profits in Utah range from $15 - $20 an hour.

Les Chatelain

Interim Department Chair

Department of Health Promotion and Education University of Utah

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Subject: Re: Contracted fee

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Going rate is not easy to state, it depends on 1) your experience/education,

2) size of organization, 3) scope of work, 4) funding amount, 5) future interests, 6) organizational interest in pursuing you and the grant, and

7) your/organization's location.

Here is one formula: your expected salary rate per hour times a number between one and a half and three; again, in part adjusting for at least the seven factors above. Another way to think about this is an hourly rate adjusting for the seven factors above, likely ranging between $50 and $250 per hour. For proposal writing and development, it may be difficult to reach the higher end of this range, unless they were also bidding you as strategic or key personnel, because funding is only probable and not definite.

I hope this helps.

James

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#767

Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 14:55:52 -0500

From: "Mark J. Kittleson, PhD, FAAHB" <kittle@SIU.EDU>

Subject: Hourly Rate

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In 1989 at the Youngstown Health Department we hired on a contract basis health educators at $25.00 an hour. Note, this person didn’t have any fringes, health insurance, etc. Now, that was nearly 20 years ago…so I suspect that James’ estimate of $50 for contract (with no fringes) is close…I would suspect somewhere around $40 to $50.

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#768

Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 16:25:35 -0400

From: Kimberley McBride <kmjmcbride@GMAIL.COM>

Subject: Re: Contracted fee

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I agree and think it depends greatly on the organization, location, and scope of work. I am in Maryland and currently am working as a contracted heatlh educator for a grant funded program. My pay is $25 per hour plus mileage. I coordinate a blood pressure program for minority churches and I also get a flat rate of $60 for each quality assessment I complete. I think it's fair for the amount of work I do (and although I would be ecstatic) I don't think $50+ would be a fair rate.

On 10/26/07, Les Chatelain <Les.Chatelain@health.utah.edu> wrote:

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> Wow, I am going to move. Entry level CHES certified health educators

> in non-profits in Utah range from $15 - $20 an hour.

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> Les Chatelain

> Interim Department Chair

> Department of Health Promotion and Education University of Utah

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#769

Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 17:13:53 -0400

From: Jim at CPP <jvgrizzell@CSUPOMONA.EDU>

Subject: Re: Hourly Rate

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You might also check the figures at the Bureau of Labor Statistics which has May 2006 salaries and adjust for education, experience and without benefits.

Jim

Jim Grizzell, MBA, MA, CHES, HFI, FACHA

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> In 1989 at the Youngstown Health Department we hired on a contract

> basis health educators at $25.00 an hour. Note, this person didn’t

> have any fringes, health insurance, etc. Now, that was nearly 20

> years ago…so I suspect that James’ estimate of $50 for contract (with

> no fringes) is close…I would suspect somewhere around $40 to $50.

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> Mark J. Kittleson, PhD, FAAHB

> Southern Illinois University

> Professor, Health Education

> Director of Graduate Studies

> Health Education & Recreation

> 618-453-1841 Office

> 618-453-1829 FAX

> SKYPE ID: mark.j.kittleson

> 618-912-4445 SKYPE Phone

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#770

Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 14:36:01 -0700

From: Mark Fulop <markfulop@YAHOO.COM>

Subject: Re: Contracted fee

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Hi all,

I agree with James and would make the point that theres is a disconnect between what you might need to survive and what the local market can bear.

For example, I have, on several occasions fantasized about quiting my job and hanging out my single as a consultant in process and facilitation. The way I penciled the numbers I would need to generate $116,000 to cover a modest salary, taxes (fed and state Income, SS self-pay and local Businesss), a modest retirement savings and medical self-insurance. As a consultant, one can expect to have 60-70% billable hours which based on a 2,000 hour year works out to $80-95/hour. If I added on modest overhead (phone, Internet, supplies, local travel, rent, etc) that would be another $20-30/billable hour for a total of $100-135/hour.

The disconnect for me is that even in an urban area like Portland, it would be tough to generate that kind of hourly rate from most midsized to large nonprofit agencies and would be nearly impossible to generate from smaller and grassroots agencies. Additionally, some nonprofits think it is a widespread practice that Frederal agencies/programs have maximum consulting rates (tho in reality it less than one would think) For example, $513/day; $450; $521; $300 are a few numbers a quick google search came up with. So some nonprofit agencies adopt rates in this range for consulting services.

Getting really practical for your question, I would assume the dollar amount you come up with will be limited by two things:

1. The strings connected to the pot of money they are paying you our of. If they budgeted 32,000 for the line item, there is no sense haggling for more.

2. The rate of pay for other employees in the agency. If the average pay is $24K/yr with health insurance (worth $5,000) per yr and 2 wks of vacation worth $1K, you are probably looking at a contract salary of $30K (24+5+1K)

In setting your contracted rate, I would simply ask them to answer these two questions and add 15% to the answers. It likely won't change the outcome but it will make you feel better that you tried to negoitiate.

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