Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 10:45:15 -0500

From: "Mark J. Kittleson, PhD, FAAHB" <kittle@SIU.EDU>

Subject: HEDIR Award Luncheon

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Folks,

Mark J. Kittleson, PhD, FAAHB

Southern Illinois University

Professor, Health Education

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Health Education & Recreation

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#773

Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 12:10:45 -0400

From: "Buhi, Eric" <ebuhi@HEALTH.USF.EDU>

Subject: Call for Papers: Sexuality & Health

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The "Call for Papers" from the Midcontinent & Eastern Regions of the Society for the Scientific Study of Sexuality (SSSS) is now posted on the SSSS website!

The deadline for submissions for the Joint Regional Conference entitled "Sexuality & Health" is December 17, 2007.

Please use the link below to access the "Call for Papers":

ference.pdf

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Please make sure that you follow all of the guidelines listed in the 'Call for Papers'.

SAVE THE DATE: MR / ER Joint Regional Conference -May 15- 17, 2008, Cleveland, Ohio.

We hope to see you there!

Program Co-Chairs,

Leslie Fisher, Ph.D. & Eric Buhi, Ph.D.

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Eric R. Buhi, MPH, PhD, CHES

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College of Public Health

University of South Florida

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#774

Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 13:46:57 -0500

From: James Teufel <teufel@SIU.EDU>

Subject: Re: Contracted fee

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Good points Mark. I agree that one should also consider the money trail. I am also looking at this from the perspective of a consultant and assuming that contractor means independent contractor (essentially, non-staff consulting). Independent contracting or consulting work also depends in part on the percentage of your overall annual FTE that the work would include. True consultants must charge a higher rate to stay in the black and out of the red due to the instability of work. If someone is a 100% at another company already, assuming no conflict of interest, and works as an independent contractor, this is different than being a 100% FTE consultant.

Consulting or independent consulting at the beginning of a career is a good idea to help to build a diverse resume. However, it is a good idea to have a stable position as well because solely independent contracting or consulting at the beginning of one's career could be disconcerting for people who are dealing with the primary levels of Maslow's Hierarchy of Need. It is especially difficult working with grassroots organizations to establish a self-sustaining living. In the nonprofit sector, people can make a lot of money in areas like Washington, D.C., but one will have to pay their dues. I also believe that technical expertise in particular content areas and processes is key to driving up one's rate (e.g., an expertise in the implementation and evaluation, including deep statistical understanding, in participatory research interventions versus a generic health educator).

James

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Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 4:36 PM

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Subject: Re: Contracted fee

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Hi all,

I agree with James and would make the point that theres is a disconnect between what you might need to survive and what the local market can bear.

For example, I have, on several occasions fantasized about quiting my job and hanging out my single as a consultant in process and facilitation. The way I penciled the numbers I would need to generate $116,000 to cover a modest salary, taxes (fed and state Income, SS self-pay and local Businesss), a modest retirement savings and medical self-insurance. As a consultant, one can expect to have 60-70% billable hours which based on a 2,000 hour year works out to $80-95/hour. If I added on modest overhead (phone, Internet, supplies, local travel, rent, etc) that would be another $20-30/billable hour for a total of $100-135/hour.

The disconnect for me is that even in an urban area like Portland, it would be tough to generate that kind of hourly rate from most midsized to large nonprofit agencies and would be nearly impossible to generate from smaller and grassroots agencies. Additionally, some nonprofits think it is a widespread practice that Frederal agencies/programs have maximum consulting rates (tho in reality it less than one would think) For example, $513/day; $450; $521; $300 are a few numbers a quick google search came up with. So some nonprofit agencies adopt rates in this range for consulting services.

Getting really practical for your question, I would assume the dollar amount you come up with will be limited by two things:

1. The strings connected to the pot of money they are paying you our of.

If they budgeted 32,000 for the line item, there is no sense haggling for more.

2. The rate of pay for other employees in the agency. If the average pay is $24K/yr with health insurance (worth $5,000) per yr and 2 wks of vacation worth $1K, you are probably looking at a contract salary of $30K (24+5+1K)

In setting your contracted rate, I would simply ask them to answer these two questions and add 15% to the answers. It likely won't change the outcome but it will make you feel better that you tried to negoitiate.

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We must reengage with our tradition of moral leadership on issues ranging from the killings in Darfur to global poverty and climate change....Our government must reengage with the American people to restore our reputation as a moral beacon to the world, tapping into our fundamental hope and optimism and calling on our citizens' commitment and courage to make this possible. We must lead the world by demonstrating the power of our ideals, not by stoking fear about those who do not share them.

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#775

Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 13:13:42 -0700

From: Mark Fulop <markfulop@YAHOO.COM>

Subject: Re: Contracted fee

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James,

>>>I am also looking at this from the perspective of a consultant and

>>>assuming that contractor means independent contractor (essentially,

>>>non-staff consulting). <<<<

Full agreement on all of your points. Its hard to have a conversation over email. Yes, I should have said, that in my personal case of contracting with an agency for a year that a $100-135/hour could become $60/hr because of the stability of the contract. But it is your second point that I really want to discuss a little more:

>>> I also believe that technical expertise in particular content areas

>>> and processes is key to driving up one's rate (e.g., an expertise in

>>> the implementation and evaluation, including deep statistical

>>> understanding, in participatory research interventions versus a

>>> generic health educator). <<<<

I might disagree with you on this point because in theory you are true. Scarce skills equal higher value. That's economics 101. However, in practice, I have seen many mid-sized nonprofits put together some impressive program evaluations with a couple of graduate students hired at a fraction of the cost of what you, as a senior researcher, might charge to do the same work. In the nonprofit economy, I contend that the there is downward pressure on the value of all content and skills expertise. So instead of hiring researchers, nonprofits hire program evaluators; instead of hiring MPH's with CHES, nonprofits hire folks with a BS or in some cases "lay educators" On the management side, I have seen nonprofits, skip hiring an accountant and even skip hiring a qualified bookkeeper and hire someone who "is good at quick books"

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Mark Fulop, MA, MPH

Portland, OR

This is our time now. It falls to use to redeem our democracy, reclaim our government and relight the promise of America for our children. Let us blaze a new path together, grounded in the values from which America was forged, still reaching toward the greatness of our ideals. We can do it. We can cast aside the bankrupt ways of Washington and replace them with the timeless values of the American people. We can liberate our government from the shackles of corporate money that bind it to corporate will, and restore the voices of our people to its halls.

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#776

Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 18:02:28 -0500

From: "teufel@siu.edu" <teufel@SIU.EDU>

Subject: Re: Contracted fee

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Mark,

I agree with your points. I also expected that the last comment may elicit some discussion.

I also recognize that the non-profit sector is very diverse, especially in the research world. Their could be a non-profit that is staffed by one or two people with minimal revenue, or it could be an organization like RTI, which has thousands of employees and large revenues. As you pointed out, most of the non-profits, however, are small to mid size organizations struggling to remain economically viable in a highly competitive market and must therefore drive down rates to keep the revenue to expenditure ratio as high as possible.

James

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