Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 10:45:39 -0500

From: KDG Consulting <kdgconsulting@VERIZON.NET>

Subject: Re: Community College - Bad Rap Response and CHES Question

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Yes, Les, and let me be perfectly clear to Les and all about where I stand:

I believe a Bachelor's degree should be required for all CHES candidates.

I believe that an AA or AS degree from a community college in community health or health education is not sufficient to prepare a person to be a health education specialist.

I support the alternative eligibility requirement to sit for the exam (someone with a Bachelor's degree who can demonstrate that s/he has 25 credits in health education with content based on the 7 areas of responsibility from an accredited college).

I believe community college courses in health education should count toward that eligibility requirement as they do toward the 4-year degree in health education.

I believe that an academically based or affiliated 25-credit program offered to meet that eligibility requirement can include courses from 2-year and 4-year colleges, as well as universities.

Let the "games" begin! :-) This HAS been a great discussion thread. Thank you all.

By the way, I'm away from the 8th - 18th, so if you don't hear from me, never fear...I'll be back!

kdg

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Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 09:40:19 -0600

From: Debra Lafler <deblafler@CHARTER.NET>

Subject: posting to the list

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HEDIR listmates,

I think I suggested this recently. If not, I would like to suggest that we

all try to post a new message to the list with the topic that you are

replying to in the subject line, or just cut and paste the one email you are

replying to and paste it under yours. For those of us that get the "digest"

(one email a day with everything), when someone replies to the list and

includes the HEDIR, this could be one message, but usually is progressive

messages, or the digest (which can include all the messages and even

previous day's digests), it makes the digest extremely hard to read and

follow. It also makes it messy with formatting codes and indents. I could

hardly find the last message in yesterday's digest. It was buried on the

bottom of an exceptionally long "reply to" section. We only had 2 new

messages and it took me a very long time to read them. I don't mean to

offend anyone. I know how easy it is to just hit "reply" and not think

about how it will be sent to others. I am sure that I have done the same in

the past, and I may in the future when I am not thinking about what I am

doing. I just hope that from now on we can all try to remember to "create a

new message" or to "copy and paste" only the email you are replying to.

Thanks everyone!

Deb

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#40

Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 09:56:53 -0600

From: "Mark J. Kittleson, PhD, FAAHB" <kittle@SIU.EDU>

Subject: State of the HEDIR

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Folks,

Happy New Year and hope '08 is a great year for you.

First, I once again wish to relay my sincerest appreciation to you, the

members of the HEDIR, for continuing to make the HEDIR the professional list

that it has become. Started in 1992 as just an email directory, the actual

listserv that you are now part of started in 1994. I'm involved with many

lists (as manager or as a participant) and there is no question that this is

the best.again, its success can be traced directly to you.

A few things I thought I would share with you.

The HEDIR list has about 1800 members.those on the directory

requested, if a person leaves the HEDIR list their names will continue to be

posted on the directory. I would encourage you to go to that directory and

check your information. Sometimes there are duplicates.sometimes the

information is wrong. If this needs to be modified, please click the update

link. If there is a duplicate, please let me know which one is no longer

needed (I especially need the 'users.asp?pid=xxx' number on the URL).

Thanks to those financial supporters of the HEDIR, I'll be upgrading the

HEDIR server within the next week or so. We're purchasing a new server and

RAID (it's a massive storage unit) that has much better security. There

shouldn't be any down time and if there will be we'll let you know. As

usual we appreciate your patience and of course we are always appreciate of

any financial support.

In 2007 I created the HEDIR RSS.this is an opportunity to post brief memos

of interest. If I see something of interest on the HEDIR I may post it on

this.if you have something else, please feel free to send it. You can view

brief sentence or two, along with a URL to direct people with more

information. You can program your browser to automatically check for

messages (you can also program your email-Outlook-to do the same).

We also saw the return of the HEDIR Technology Award after a two year

absence. The HEDIR Technology Award is actually the AAHE/HEDIR Technology

Award and has been sponsored (along with its lunch) by Pearson Publishing.

We have the call out for the 2008 awards, so if you find somebody worthy,

please consider nominating them (for more information to the HEDIR RSS or

My biggest struggle with the HEDIR has been the DIGEST mode. Approximately

1/3 of the respondents are on that format (this is one email a day with all

previous messages). I certainly can understand why people would want to

limit their emails, but it really counters the concept of the HEDIR where

quick response is sometimes essential for the person who responds. There

are two major issues I'm struggling with:

1) With the DIGEST I cannot convert the HEDIR messages into an html

format, which would allow a more pleasing appearance (graphics, color, etc.)

For those who are digest mode these messages come across as gogglygook (not

sure if this is the proper technology term, but those who are on the DIGEST

mode know what I am referring to). I'm still working with the IT gurus here

on campus to see what we can do.

2) The second issue, also with the DIGEST is the continuing practice

of people who are on DIGEST to hit reply to the previous days message, type

their response, and send.but with their response is the entire text of the

message. For those days that have had a large number of messages, this

makes for a very long, cumbersome message. It takes up a lot of space on

one's email system, but the major concern that I have is that when I archive

the messages it takes forever (because of the length). I recognize that

sometimes it's important to keep the original post below your comments (for

contextual purposes), but again I ask that you eliminate all unnecessary

postings. It's easy to forget.I've done it myself; and I have noticed a

substantial reduction since my request last October.but again, I ask for you

to remove all unnecessary postings prior to clicking your send button.

Another new item that I've been working on is a more collaborative effort

with HPCAREER.net to have a series of sites where smaller groups can gather

together and chat about items of interest. HPCAREER.net is calling these

You'll see that we have the HEDIR forum and encourage you to visit and

consider signing up. We're not sure how this will be used (sorta like when

I created the HEDIR list in 1994), but it provides a series of forums (i.e.,

chat rooms) that you might find of value. If you do use it let me know what

you think and how it can be improved, changed, etc.

Thanks again for all of your support.I hope to see many of you in Fort Worth

in April.

Mark J. Kittleson, PhD, FAAHB

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Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 10:36:50 -0600

From: "teufel@siu.edu" <teufel@SIU.EDU>

Subject: Re: Community College - Bad Rap Response and CHES Question

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It seems that everything always comes back to CHES for which I

have several questions at the end of this email. Like CPR

certification, I do not believe that a bachelor's degree should

be required;likely a minority stance. The CHES is a lesser

standard and assessment than a college/university education--

from principles of measurement this is an almost inevitable

conclusion. One's academic degrees has and will at least for the

foreseeable future dominate the CHES in value. Given no work

experience, if someone has a degree from Johns Hopkins with no

CHES as opposed to a degree from a lower tier school with CHES,

the person from Hopkins will be perceived as a better candidate

for most careers. I think that it would also be unhealthy for

the field of health education to cut off its nose to spite its

face by hiring someone simply because they are CHES. The CHES is

more of a professional secret handshake than an actual

functional measure of achievement. This is not necessarily a bad

thing as long as the biases with regard to CHES are dealt with in

a forthright manner. It is more important for health educators

to put themselves on the map with demonstrations of effective and

innovative programs than to have all "health educators"

certified. As a case in point, based on Larry Green's vita, he is

either not CHES certified or at least does not publicize it.

Some people on the HEDIR certainly revere Larry Green as an idol.

One of the original explanations for schizophrenia was that

parents gave their children mixed messages or presented a chaotic

environment (of course this is not the dominant explanation now).

I am sensitive to mixed messages; maybe too sensitive. It is

hard for me to understand worshiping both the CHES and Larry

Green simultaneously. From my experience in decision making

research, I know that people are primarily irrational. The axiom

goes like this: "People are born reasoning but not rational."

I know that this line of thought will likely annoy some people.

However, annoyance may simply be a defense of the irrational;

reasoning the irrational. I still have my simple question of

"Why is the CHES important?" There are many beliefs on the

proper process of the CHES-- justify the means--, but what are

the ends? As an extension, do the means justify the ends and do

the ends justify the means?

James

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