Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 10:56:50 -0500

From: "Leake, Joseph M." <jleake@BCPS.ORG>

Subject: Community College Experiences

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Dear Karen,

=20

Here's a short version of how community college changed my life for the

better. I started at Catonsville Community College in electronics

(trying to follow in my father's footsteps). I was an average student

(no scholarships) from a family that just got by. I would need to work

while attending school. So community college seemed the perfect

starting point. As part of my course schedule, I took "Health 101." I

found the professor's discussions fascinating and I let him know it.

One time, when he knew he would be absent, he let me show the class a

movie. I was hooked - I wanted to change my major to health education,

but the college did not formally offer this major. However, the

guidance department custom-designed my coursework so I could effectively

transfer into Towson State College's (Towson U. now) health education

major. I have lived happily ever after! =20

By the way, in reference to the college/automobile analogy from James,

my 1974 Pinto Wagon performed flawlessly throughout the remainder of my

college commutes and well into my teaching career for the next ten

years!

=20

Thanks for the opportunity to share.

=20

Sincerely,

Joe

=20

Joseph Leake

Health Education Supervisor

Baltimore County Public Schools

Offices of Health, Physical Education, and Dance

6901 Charles Street, ESS Building - Room 315

Towson, MD 21204

Phone: (410) 887- 4014

Fax: 410-887-4038 =20

E-Mail: jleake@bcps.org

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#43

Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 10:45:32 -0600

From: Mal Goldsmith <mgoldsm@SIUE.EDU>

Subject: Re: Community College - Bad Rap Response and CHES Question

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Hi fellow HEDIRS,

As Chair of the NCHEC Board of Commissioners I would like to respond to

James's comments and question. First with all due respect to Larry and

those who promote CHES idolization is not something on the agenda of either.

Larry would appreciate the respect of his peers but would be more interested

in seeing professionals innovatively work toward promoting a healthier

society/world. Equally CHES promoters are more concerned in promoting the

quality of health education that is delivered and received than anything

else.

While I certainly respect an individual's right to decide if they want to

pursue a credential, the decision to have a certification available to

health educators emerged primarily for two reasons. One I mentioned above.

The second was to try to increase visibility and a better understanding of

health education. Even today we are continuing to try to address this

through our Marketing the Profession Task Force.

It is also important to recognize that one must have a college degree to

pursue CHES. It is not an issue of one or the other. Also I disagree that

a school name is always a better indicator of a quality candidate. In our

field there are many tiny programs that lack quality in big name schools and

some amazing programs in schools that lack the glamour name. Many of us

have always known that health education in Schools of Public Health has

always been low on the totem poll while community health education programs

outside of Schools of Public Health have often produced better candidates.

While this is changing and we have MPH degrees more readily available an

employer who doesn't know much about health education could easily hire the

less capable person.

One other example I want to share with you regarding name status: I was

flying back from Houston two years ago and sat next to a woman who was CEO

of a company. We shared what we did and talked about how students today are

different from previous generations. She shared with me that she just

finished interviewing for a position she had. Of the two final candidates

one was a recent graduate from Rice University and the other a community

college graduate. While Rice is one of the finest institutions in the

country, she told me that the student had no social skills, an inability to

express what she wanted in life and had very little motivation. The

community college student told her about her dreams, the struggles she had

overcome and how important the job would be to her. She hired the community

college graduate. No matter what our resume says we better be able to

present ourselves in a personal and professional way.

I also hold no dreamy expectations for what a CHES or any other credential

means. Ultimately you need to deliver. You need to convince an employer

why a CHES is more desirable to hire and then CHES must demonstrate the

skills they are competent in. When employers hire CHES and they deliver

they will hire more CHES. If they don't deliver than the credential means

nothing. Same as the name of the college you graduated from.

Like most things in life this is not a right/wrong argument. We must strive

to do all we can to promote our profession. CHES is one way but there are

many other priorities as well. Debate and disagreements are healthy for

growth, but in the end we benefit by having a united front.

Mal Goldsmith, Ph.D., CHES

Professor and Coordinator of Health Education

Department of Kinesiology and Health Education

Box 1126

Southern Illinois University Edwardsville

Edwardsville, IL 62026

618-650-3857 (ph)

618-650-3719 (fax)

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#44

Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 12:27:02 -0500

From: Ken Packer <packer18@EARTHLINK.NET>

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Mal,

I agree. Thank you, as always, for being clear, concise, and eloquent.

We need to remember that debate and discussion is good, but put-downs

are not necessary. Larry, from all of us who know you, there will

always be respect for your contributions. Having been in the field for

40 years, I have seen much change and improvement - all the result of

hard work and contributions on many fronts and from many colleagues of

all types of backgrounds, education, and certifications. I would not

want to see health education where is was, when I began 40 years ago. I

look forward to seeing the growth and innovation that will come in the

future. I look forward to those community college students, working

their way up the ladder of success in our field. Hopefully they will

feel as good about their accomplishments as I do, and will equally enjoy

their retirement!

Regards,

Ken Packer

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#45

Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 13:07:03 -0500

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I've been a member of HEDIR on and off for many years - having worked in health education materials development for about 3 decades but this is only the second time I've contributed to the discussion. I'm a project manager at Red Cross National Headquarters. We are looking into university and college needs for health courses in caregiving in the format of Blackboard. I have a question: is Blackboard currently used in most colleges and universities?

We are considering putting our family caregiving course in the Blackboard format. What are your thoughts on it?

We are also considering creating a caregiver assistant course. That course may be much like the Red Cross Babysitter Training course but in Blackboard. Graduates would get a RC certificate to provide respite to caregivers.

________________________________________

Emilie Parker

American Red Cross National Headquarters

Project Manager, Research and Product Development

Preparedness and Health and Safety Services

2025 E. Street NW

parkerem@usa.redcross.org

303-953-1458 M-F, 9 to 6 Eastern

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Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 13:08:30 -0500

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Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 13:07:03 -0500

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I've been a member of HEDIR on and off for many years - having worked in health education materials development for about 3 decades but this is only the second time I've contributed to the discussion. I'm a project manager at Red Cross National Headquarters. We are looking into university and college needs for health courses in caregiving in the format of Blackboard. I have a question: is Blackboard currently used in most colleges and universities?

We are considering putting our family caregiving course in the Blackboard format. What are your thoughts on it?

We are also considering creating a caregiver assistant course. That course may be much like the Red Cross Babysitter Training course but in Blackboard. Graduates would get a RC certificate to provide respite to caregivers.

________________________________________

Emilie Parker

American Red Cross National Headquarters

Project Manager, Research and Product Development

Preparedness and Health and Safety Services

2025 E. Street NW

Washington, DC 20006-5009

parkerem@usa.redcross.org

303-953-1458 M-F, 9 to 6 Eastern

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Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 13:07:03 -0500

From: Emilie Parker <ParkerEm@USA.REDCROSS.ORG>

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I've been a member of HEDIR on and off for many years - having worked in health education materials development for about 3 decades but this is only the second time I've contributed to the discussion. I'm a project manager at Red Cross National Headquarters. We are looking into university and college needs for health courses in caregiving in the format of Blackboard. I have a question: is Blackboard currently used in most colleges and universities?

We are considering putting our family caregiving course in the Blackboard format. What are your thoughts on it?

We are also considering creating a caregiver assistant course. That course may be much like the Red Cross Babysitter Training course but in Blackboard. Graduates would get a RC certificate to provide respite to caregivers.

________________________________________

Emilie Parker

American Red Cross National Headquarters

Project Manager, Research and Product Development

Preparedness and Health and Safety Services

2025 E. Street NW

Washington, DC 20006-5009

parkerem@usa.redcross.org

303-953-1458 M-F, 9 to 6 Eastern

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#49

Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 13:01:27 -0500

From: "Snell, Susan" <ssnell@WELLSPAN.ORG>

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Another community college success story:

I was a returning adult student. Began in the Essex/Dundalk system in

Baltimore,Maryland. Received my ACSM Exercise Test Technologist

certification while studying at the community colleges. They prepared me

well. Received my AA from Dundalk and transferred to the dual track,

Community/School Health Education program at Towson University.

Graduated Suma Cum Laude and was well prepared for the jobs ahead. I am

not CHES certified because it was so new at the time I graduated. I am

currently a community health educator working for a health system.

A few thoughts:

- The generals I took at the cc level required more work than many

generals taken at the university. Possibly because they were preparing

us to move on to a 4 year college.

- At that time, the general classes at the community college level, were

not comprised of "hundreds" of students in one lecture hall. I felt it

was a benefit to be in a smaller group and received more attention from

the professors. This possibly helps the success rate for completion at

the 4 year level.

- It was less costly for someone who has to pay their way and/or depend

on loans that have to be paid off someday.

All in all, it was a beneficial experience for me, as a means to an end.

The community college prepared me well for the completion of my degree

at a 4 year institution. Health educators in the school systems should

have a teaching certificate and bachelors degree and I do believe

community health educators should have their bachelors degree,

considering the complexities of our jobs. But the community colleges

can play a very important role in the bachelors degree process.

Susan M. Snell, Health Educator

WellSpan Community Health Improvement

1101 S. Edgar St. Suite F

York, PA 17403

717-851-3224

fax 717-851-3235

ssnell@wellspan.org

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#50

Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 13:36:53 -0600

From: "Perko, Mike" <mperko@CHES.UA.EDU>

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While not a CC, I have a plug for a Jr. College experience:

My life changed as the result of one word in the spring of 1981 while a

student at Keystone Jr. College, a two year institution in the

illustriously named town of La Plume, Pa. On the first day of class in

Sociology 101, Dr. Abe Bernstein walked in, took off his fedora,

trenchcoat and scarf, looked at us through his horn-rimmed glasses and

said "Colleagues, we have a lot of work to do..." Colleagues... 18

year olds are rarely called colleagues and I looked around to see who he

was talking to. When I realized it was us (and me) he was referring to,

I felt a part of the learning environment, probably for the first time.

I too became Student Gov't President and while far from validictorian,

delivered the graduation speech. As a result of my Jr. College

experience, although my parents were happy that I had my college degree,

I decided to pursue teaching up the road at E. Stroudsburg University,

where I met Bill Livingood, Lynn Woodhouse, and Mary Rose Colley - but

that's another stoty.

To this day, each and every class I teach starts with one word -

colleagues.

Mike

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Mike Perko, Ph.D., CHES, FAAHE

Associate Professor & Chair

mperko@ches.ua.edu

Department of Health Science

College of Human Environmental Sciences

210 E. Annex

Tuscaloosa, Alabama, 35487

tel: 205-348-2956

fax: 205-348-7568

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#51

Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 14:37:55 -0600

From: James Teufel <teufel@SIU.EDU>

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Before I go into a short response regarding my comments related to Larry

Green and the necessity of true argumentation, please feel free to skip

ahead to the questions at the end of this email-- if rants are not your

thing.

I do not agree with the idea that debate and discussion is good unless it

includes items perceived as put-downs or it negates a united front. Debate

and discussion requires a skeptical and potentially contrarian process,

which includes negation of points and opposing positions. This allows for

innovation and refinement of ideas and actions. I believe this philosophy

should especially be embraced in academia. Academia is one of the few

places in which a person (a tenured person) could discuss ideas with passion

and true argumentation without fearing the threat of being fired. If

contrarian discussions or topics are now perceived as an unnecessary part of

the academic process, this is fine with me as long as tenure is removed as

well.

My comments regarding Larry Green were not put-downs. Additionally, my

words regarding Larry Green were as follows: "As a case in point, based on

Larry Green's vita, he is either not CHES certified or at least does not

publicize it. Some people on the HEDIR certainly revere Larry Green as an

idol." How is this comment an insult to Larry Green? I would say it was

more insulting to imply, in refutation of my premise, that some people do

not or should not idolize Larry Green. I respect Larry Green's

contributions, but my point was not regarding respect or disrespect for

Larry Green. My comments in large part showed the glorified position that

Larry Green holds in the field and its relationship to CHES. We could

substitute the word respect for idolization and semantically make the same

point. As a side note, if Larry Green is only respected and not idolized,

one could evince this point by saying something negative. Idols are

infallible and thereby all positive. People, on the other hand, are

respected due to their positive qualities and in spite of their negative

qualities.

I enjoy debate and discussion because I believe it furthers the field and

the human experience in general. With this in mind, I have follow-up

questions regarding CHES.

Does CHES promote delivery of higher quality health education? Is there

empirical support for this claim? If yes, was the support based on internal

(subjective) or external (objective) evaluations/research?

Has CHES increased the visibility and understanding of health education? If

yes, based on what evidence?

My comments are not meant to be personal attacks but should be construed as

my personal attacks on ideas. Personal and memetic messages are part of the

human condition. Perceived reality usually exists somewhere in between

personal ideas and cultural memes since human beings are aware social

animals.

James

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#52

Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 17:08:33 EST

From: Valerie Scotella <Staywell2002@AOL.COM>

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WAY TO GO, JOE!

KUDOS!

In a message dated 1/7/2008 11:08:32 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,

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Dear Karen,

Here's a short version of how community college changed my life for the

better. I started at Catonsville Community College in electronics

(trying to follow in my father's footsteps). I was an average student

(no scholarships) from a family that just got by. I would need to work

while attending school. So community college seemed the perfect

starting point. As part of my course schedule, I took "Health 101." I

found the professor's discussions fascinating and I let him know it.

One time, when he knew he would be absent, he let me show the class a

movie. I was hooked - I wanted to change my major to health education,

but the college did not formally offer this major. However, the

guidance department custom-designed my coursework so I could effectively

transfer into Towson State College's (Towson U. now) health education

major. I have lived happily ever after!

By the way, in reference to the college/automobile analogy from James,

my 1974 Pinto Wagon performed flawlessly throughout the remainder of my

college commutes and well into my teaching career for the next ten

years!

Thanks for the opportunity to share.

Sincerely,

Joe

Joseph Leake

Health Education Supervisor

Baltimore County Public Schools

Offices of Health, Physical Education, and Dance

6901 Charles Street, ESS Building - Room 315

Towson, MD 21204

Phone: (410) 887- 4014

Fax: 410-887-4038

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Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 17:12:52 EST

From: Valerie Scotella <Staywell2002@AOL.COM>

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From a Northern*ite,...THANKS for expounding upon the CHES vs non-CHES

meaning simply this:

The better H Ed folks are not better simply due to either their school,

their degrees or their certifications, if they have any. The best H Ed people

can be right under your noses,...just take a bit more of an open mind to

uncover.

Peace.

NIU MPH grad

In a message dated 1/7/2008 11:47:41 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,

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Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 17:15:10 EST

From: Valerie Scotella <Staywell2002@AOL.COM>

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KUDOS MIKE!

In a message dated 1/7/2008 2:38:50 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

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While not a CC, I have a plug for a Jr. College experience:

My life changed as the result of one word in the spring of 1981 while a

student at Keystone Jr. College, a two year institution in the

illustriously named town of La Plume, Pa. On the first day of class in

Sociology 101, Dr. Abe Bernstein walked in, took off his fedora,

trenchcoat and scarf, looked at us through his horn-rimmed glasses and

said "Colleagues, we have a lot of work to do..." Colleagues... 18

year olds are rarely called colleagues and I looked around to see who he

was talking to. When I realized it was us (and me) he was referring to,

I felt a part of the learning environment, probably for the first time.

I too became Student Gov't President and while far from validictorian,

delivered the graduation speech. As a result of my Jr. College

experience, although my parents were happy that I had my college degree,

I decided to pursue teaching up the road at E. Stroudsburg University,

where I met Bill Livingood, Lynn Woodhouse, and Mary Rose Colley - but

that's another stoty.

To this day, each and every class I teach starts with one word -

colleagues.

Mike

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University of Alabama

Mike Perko, Ph.D., CHES, FAAHE

Associate Professor & Chair

mperko@ches.ua.edu

Department of Health Science

College of Human Environmental Sciences

210 E. Annex

Tuscaloosa, Alabama, 35487

tel: 205-348-2956

fax: 205-348-7568

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#55

Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 19:03:30 -0500

From: Johanna Chase <jchase@DPI.STATE.NC.US>

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The question should not be what the student gleaned from the community college experience, but rather how well the instructional program--military academy, private university, public university, research institute, community college, or virtual online program instilled a lifelong zest for learning and prepared the candidate to be a leader in the field.

Moreover, let's back up one step and ask, "Why didn't compulsory high school engage all learners and academically as well as emotionally prepare them to be excited about the next level of education or work?" Thank goodness for the community college programs that address the missed opportunities that occur during high school.

Johanna Chase, M.A., CHES

Health Education Consultant

K-12 Programs

NC Department of Public Instruction

6349 Mail Service Center

Raleigh, NC 27699-6349

919-807-3857 phone

919-807-3823 fax

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#56

Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 23:19:19 EST

From: Jacqueline Rubino <Jac3rc@AOL.COM>

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Dear Colleagues,

Can anyone please recommend some dependable, accurate, user-friendly sites

where consumers can access information about healthy eating, caloric content

of foods, and other resources?

Kind regards,

Jacqueline Rubino, MPH, CHES